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The 1st Gen Chinese-American immigrants are the real culprits behind the lack of a community for 2nd gen ABCs

I am glad you found my writings useful. Thanks for your message. I do not blame or accuse anyone without reason. I simply tell the truth. The truth is that 2nd generation Asian-American males have very low social status in the West and are stuck between the two worlds (China and the West). 1st gen parents need to understand and sympathize and find ways to help 2nd gen sons/daughters. They are too weak to change this alone. I only tell the truth. 忠言逆耳利于行. I only want to help. I very much understand both how Chinese natives and westerners think. I am currently working in Beijing. I have lived and worked in both China and USA. I know both sides and I only want to help, by telling the truth that few before me has had the courage to tell. I don’t want Chinese to make the same mistakes over and over again.

The 1st Gen Chinese-American immigrants are the real culprits behind the lack of a community for 2nd gen ABCs

On the Maslow hierarchy of needs, most 1st gens mentality is on the first floor of food, warmth, shelter, safety… etc. Why is this the case?

The first gen is not really stuck on the 1st floor of the Maslow hierarchy of needs. Rather, it’s because they already had the social belonging (mental health) part of it satisfied, so they were blinded to its value and ignored it. They only think what they didn’t have is what counts, while ignoring what they already had (a sense of belonging) and taking that for granted.

The 1st Gen Chinese-American immigrants are the real culprits behind the lack of a community for 2nd gen ABCs

I condemn the 1st gen b/c they deserve to be condemned. They took away a generation’s self-worth and social standing just so they could selfishly obtain bragging rights and fulfill their white-worshipping vanity. They also delegitimize the complaints and sufferings of the second generation (which are FAR worse than the so-called “poverty” they claim to have experienced back in China), in an attempt to shut us up so they can enjoy their lives in either America and China at our expense. People who act like this deserve to be condemned. You should be thanking me that I am doing the community a favor.

You have no fricken clue what networking is. I’ve tried getting a group of ABCs, but ABCs don’t have any connections in business or any social institution, heck, ABCs can’t even get their own women. How is this supposed to work?

The problem with you, is you are too much of a coward to admit there is something fundamentally wrong, or should I say “missing”, in the ABC “community” (if you even want to call it such) in America. Participating socially doesn’t work when society views you as the lowest on the social ladder, as they view ABC males.

You are incredibly naive and probably manipulated by your parents to think they were making a sacrifice for you. You are not on my level. You have not experienced these things for yourself, so you are not really qualified to tell me that my points are wrong. Prove, using evidence and action, that I am wrong. Otherwise your words are empty and nonsensible. Vague comments like “just make a network of ABCs”, “participate socially” are utterly meaningless when they depend on the agents participating in the action to have a social standing to begin with. Since ABCs don’t have anything to be begin with, none of these things are helpful or actionable. And if you’re so dumb and native to think we don’t need to fight for our turf, then you can just be happy being trampled on by everyone else. I’m not.

You have probably been brainwashed by your traitor parents that America is heaven, whites are saviors, and that China is a concentration camp. Couldn’t be further from the truth.

The 1st Gen Chinese-American immigrants are the real culprits behind the lack of a community for 2nd gen ABCs

Dude, your desperation in trying to convince yourself that Asian-Americans already have a place in America is looking… quite desperate.

Here’s what I mean by network: is there any type of industry where being Asian-American is an ADVANTAGE compared to any other race? Nil. Not a single one. In any industry in either the West or back in China, being an ABC is a distinct DISADVANTAGE. You cannot blend in white social circles, nor do the Chinese accept you as one of them. That means any business deals involving anything to do with whites, China, Asia, you are shut out. I’m seeing this happen literally everywhere. Asian-Americans are getting shafted in every industry b/c we are invisible and don’t have social capital. A Chinese VC firm that wants to invest in the US is just gonna go straight to the white people, and skip the ABC. A white company that wants to build a factory in China is going to go direct to the native Chinese, and the ABC will be sidelined. Prove me wrong bro. I wish you could, but you can’t.

On top of that, Asian-Americans have been taught to “not play dirty”, “play fair”, “keep to themselves”, and “work hard”. That is the poison fed to us by the 1st gen traitor-immigrants who cared only about their own vanity and not about our wellbeing. They failed in their efforts to “parents”. Parents not only take care of children’s physical needs but are also responsible for ensuring that the child has a healthy social environment to grow up in. That’s a fact. But 1st gen immigrants never taught their kids how to deal with white people, with racial inequality, with playing power politics, etc… and that is the core reason why the 2nd gen do not have any network to depend on. If I wanted to start a company in America, there is NO Asian-American group I can contact that would favor me over other races. But that’s the exact game that the Jews, white, and native Chinese are playing now. They provide investments to their own group people just b/c they are the same skin color or culture. But Asian-Americans don’t have that. That’s what I mean by a network.

Prove me wrong. You couldn’t do it. A small but increasingly number of ABCs are becoming more and more woke these days. You can get with the program, or continue to deny reality.

The 1st Gen Chinese-American immigrants are the real culprits behind the lack of a community for 2nd gen ABCs

Wanna make more Asian friends or build an Asian-centric network?

LOL, have you tried? Why don’t you try to build a network. See how far it gets you as an ABC. I’ve tried doing that. That’s why I’m qualified to speak. Have you tried? Have you traveled back to Asia to try to spread these messages and see how people reacted? Have you attempted to inform the world of the real issues underlying Asian-Americans and western Asians and spoken to people on both sides to get their views? Cause if you haven’t, I’d suggest you actually trying doing something rather than just talking empty talk and trying to do mental gymnastics to trick yourself into thinking everything in America is a-ok. If it was so easy to make a network, why hasn’t anything been done yet? How can you create a “network” when ABCs control no power, no money, no political influence, the women openly defect, parents continue to gaslight and pretend nothing’s happening, Asian natives shit on ABCs, employers discriminate against ABCs, other ABCs are afraid of speaking up, and other minorities including blacks also shit on ABCs? Tell me how do you go about creating a “network” when all these factors are stacked against you?

Let’s be realistic. Let’s not live in a fairy-tail. That’s the first step of becoming mature.

The 1st Gen Chinese-American immigrants are the real culprits behind the lack of a community for 2nd gen ABCs

You have no idea whether these people were telling the truth or not about China in the 80s / 90s do you? The country itself was poor, I don’t dispute that, but everyone was in it TOGETHER. You weren’t spurned by your countrymen. Physical poverty is nothing compared to the psychological pains that an ABC goes through being SPURNED by everyone and having no place to call his own.

Don’t make senseless accusations without backing them up. I was born in the late 80s in China. It was poor but it wasn’t anywhere close to “fucken horrible.”

The 1st Gen Chinese-American immigrants are the real culprits behind the lack of a community for 2nd gen ABCs

Classic “gaslighting” arguments.

They “struggled way harder”? Are you sure? Did they ever struggle with the mental pain of being disdained and spurned by their own people? I don’t think so.

You have your arguments backwards. They started businesses and Chinatowns exactly because they HAD connection with other Chinese people and were part of a group. Thanks to their blindsightedness, ABCs don’t have that group. That’s why we don’t have our own Goldman Sachs, our own interest groups, our own turf, our own institutions.

Your arguments are backwards. If ABCs had all the network we could work harder than all of them. My point is that WITHOUT the network, it doesn’t matter how hard you work. That’s the crime of the first generation – they made it so that NOT MATTER HOW HARD WE WORK, we cannot have social standing – because you need social standing initially to have your hard work bear fruit.

Please don’t respond to me until you have your logic in order. Gaslighting is not going to stop me from letting the world see the truth.

Rise of an alarming new trend – westerners are distinguishing between native Asians (with status) and banana ABCs (who have no social status)

fearmenot911,

I can tell you almost 100% of the blame goes to the 1st gen parents. They are selfish, greedy, self-serving short sighted traitors who deserve to be globally condemned for purposely using their sons and daughters to fulfill their selfish white worshipping goals. Of course it is the parent’s fault.

  1. Parents have an obligation to provide not only food / shelter for kids but also make sure their kids grow up in a healthy social environment. 1st gen parents greedily thought only about their own infatuation with white culture and completely ignored the fact that their kids would grow up outsiders in white culture and Chinese culture, leading to lifelong ostracism, alienation and depression.
  2. Even worse, the 1st gen do NOT want to admit this and do NOT want to help their kids, even if they are truly depressed and shut out from the job market because of their race. You can look back at the comments from 1st gen parents to my original article on Wenxuecheng. They were insulting me personally even when what I said was true. They simply are protecting themselves and do not want to really care about the well-being of their kids. They are willing to manipulate / deny reality to protect themselves.
  3. 1st gen parents are very manipulative people. I know many 1st gen parents who continue to brainwash their kids into thinking how bad China is and how good the USA is, with no discussion at all about the racism that Asians face in America and the complete lack of social acceptance for Asian males. The parents also purposely do not teach their kids Chinese and cut them off from all culture in China, so they cannot even go back to China in the future to get away from the enormous racism faced by Asians in the West. The parents also actively gaslight all discussions about racism by the 2nd gen to protect their own face at the expense of the mental wellbeing of the second gen.
  4. Many first generation openly physically or emotionally abuse their kids under the guise of “tiger parenting”. These 1st gen do not care at all about the double pressure faced by their parents both outside the family (racism against Asians) and in the family. The distance between living in the West and the family back home allows 1st gen parents to do many things to their kids that go unreported and unknown by extended family members.
  5. The 1st gen exaggerate the difficulties of life in China and exaggerate the beauty of America to fool their kids into thinking they immigrated to the USA for their kids. But in reality, it was for themselves, not the kids. Growing up in China had its challenges but it was a group effort – everyone around you is in a similar situation and people were going through it together. 1st gen take this “social belonging” for granted. Gaokao is stressful but not that hard. Compared to the lifelong social ostracism and alienation faced by 2nd gen ABCs, the struggles of gaokao and growing up in China are nothing. I have worked in China for the past half year and I can attest to this.

I will tell you straight up – the 1st gen are root cause of the Asian-American community not having a community at all. They did not do their part in providing a healthy social support network for their kids. A healthy social group where you are fully accepted is not a luxury, it is a right for every human being, just like air/water/etc…

The 1st gen decided that just because they wanted to be traitors and hated their home country that gave that everything, that they would cut this off for the 2nd gen as well. The 1st gen deserve to be condemned, and I will work with groups in China to make sure that the Chinese media and Chinese citizens understand that the 1st gen are a bunch of traitor dogs who deserve no sympathy from both sides. The 1st gen lied to their kids to satisfy their own white-worshipping cravings and this type of selfish manipulative group deserve to be exposed for all to see and condemn.

You also mention that ABCs are different from native Chinese. Sure, that might be true, but that is a problem, because ABCs suffer in terms of career networks, dating, social isolation, and not having a sense of belonging. Are these not problems to you? These are massive issues that are completely being ignored. Don’t be selfish and think these issues are not issues just b/c you didn’t go through them. I guarantee you they are worse than attending gaokao in China or breathing some bad air.

Rise of an alarming new trend – westerners are distinguishing between native Asians (with status) and banana ABCs (who have no social status)

That’s true, but know that you are asking for the impossible.

The standard for Asian-Americans in terms of Chinese or native language mastery is ridiculously high – in fact, natives expect Asian-Americans to speak absolutely perfect native language in order to gain acceptance. Anything less is a “shame” and the AA is ostracized.

I know because I am working in China for the past half year. At least this applies to Chinese-Americans.

My Chinese is very good, but I still missed out on years of cultural stuff that you get growing up in China. And people view me differently. I’m never “one of them”. But I’m not white either.

How does a Chinese-American who had no choice to grow up in the States or a western country and no environment to immerse in his native language learn the language to such a high level required by natives? It is impossible. You are asking the impossible.

Unfortunately, what I’m seeing is that the world has a double standard for Chinese-Americans. Chinese-Americans, even those who learn the language to a very high level, given their circumstances, are ostracized and not viewed as “one of us” by native Chinese. But given that ABCs did not choose to be brought to the USA or born there, their lack of ability to converse or understand their native Chinese – the fault lies with the parents – the 1st gen parents who, many, were traitors and actively prevented their kids from learning Chinese.

I don’t see enough blaming on the 1st generation, they are the real culprits that the ABCs do not know their own language to a high level.

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Rise of an alarming new trend – westerners are distinguishing between native Asians (with status) and banana ABCs (who have no social status)

You’re right, there is nothing to be proud of.

Asian-American is a joke. It’s the no-man’s land where every other group tries to crap on to make themselves feel better.

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Can’t believe none of you spotted the most important thing in the trailer. White Hollywood is not making fun of ABCs and sucking up to native Asians directly. ABCs in the film are protrayed again as poor, “unrefined bananas” who don’t know anything about Asia and cannot fit into the USA. ABCs are getting shit on by both sides once again. Now’s Hollywood is using the rise of Asia to shit on ABCs. Yet nobody noticed that here? Doesn’t that bother any of you and you have such low social status and yet nothing is being done about it?

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Dude, you’re just too weak and spineless to admit that what you consider “home” in the west is nothing more than hostile enemy territory as it now stands. Nobody cares about you in the West. The ABC community is a joke. I’m sure you’ve seen the trailer for “Crazy Rich Asians” now. So what Hollywood is now doing is shitting on ABCs and calling them “unrefined bananas” and elevating the image of the rich native Asia. You got screwed again on both sides.

It’s time you actually man up and learn your native language and understand what’s going on. Without media, without money, with control of politics, courts, institutions, with women defecting, with self manipulative self-hating white-worshiping parents, you think you can build any type of enclave or movement in the West is pure 100% delusion.

At least when I come back to Asia I can have peace of mind where I can see people who look like me all around me and I’m not judged. That’s a god-given right I have. The right to not be judged by the color of my skin. Unfortunately, in racist America, you don’t get that god-given right. You are the untouchable in the white dominated caste system.

Quit finding excuses for your weakness, your laziness, and your lack of ambition. Enjoy the concentration camps in the West. Trust me, they’re on their way. Natural selection at its finest.

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Your reasoning and logic is so confused that I need to add something to what I said earlier:

  1. For a Chinese person, or a person of ethnic Chinese heritage, having access to one’s own country and growing up there is the DEFAULT, not some privilege. I never asked to be brought to the states, my traitor parents made that choice for me, not keeping in mind what was good for me, but what was good for them (they wanted the vanity to brag). No one has the right to take a person out of his natural habitat just so one can increase one’s bragging rights. All I ask is to fully Chinese and let me make my fucken choice when I’m an adult if I want to be a proud, 100% Chinese or a fucken white suckup and come to the west to be a second class citizen. 1st gen parents took this choice away from their sons and condemned them to a life of being second class everywhere. There’s nothing honorable or fair about this.
  2. My kids will be 100% native Chinese and when they hit 18, they can make their own choice about what to do or where to go. But at least they have a default home country, language, culture, etc… that doesn’t look down on them. ABCs have been deprived of this. Culturally and socially, we are essentially disabled people. Believe it or not, a Chinese person who is gay or artistic, can easily live in the west if he / she wanted to, but let’s let her/him make that damn decision for herself, rather than my arrogantly making that decision for him/her.
  3. What unity is there in the so called “Asian-American” community in the USA in the first place? This so-called community is in absolute shambles. it’s nothing more than a bunch of spineless females defectors, a bunch of males who are afraid to make a difference other than complaining in forums, and everyone is too lazy to actually learn Chinese. You think it’s easy learning Chinese? No it’s not. but to me, the pain of learning Chinese is worth it, compared to the pain of being treated like dirt by Westerners.

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Asians will never belong in Western countries, not because we don’t want to, but b/c Westerners have a race-oriented mentality that will never accept a yellow-skilled Asian as one of their own.

Sorry to disappoint you on this, but you’ll find over time that I am right.

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Let me ask you: Can you get a room of 10 Asian-American males to discuss a tactic for fighting against racism and discrimination in America? Can you? Cause I bet you can’t. Cause I bet no Asian-American wants to come out and actually do anything about it, cause they’re so scared of causing trouble. If you can’t even do this, what possibly do you think you can do? Fuming on reddit under an anonymous ID doesn’t count as political activism.

Again, I’ve been on these forums for 1.5 years now, I’ve seen a lot of talk and very few action.

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Why should ABCs be loyal to a country that actively uses media and other policies to suppress ABCs? They are treated much better at home. In Silicon Valley, Indians and whites are taking Chinese’s and ABC’s cake like crazy, you just gonna sit there and do nothing? For the record, the USA has a ton of subtle, behind the scenes policies aimed at restricting and limiting the opportunities of Asian-Americans. You are nothing but a sell-out and traitor who has been brainwashed to think Asia = bad, USA = good.

What’s going on? Why are people becoming so delusional? The USA was never loyal to ABC so why should ABC be loyal to the USA? ABCs never made the conscious choice to be American citizens. They were forced to by their traitor parents. They are treated much better in Asia where they should be.

All ABCs should learn Chinese and go back to Asia. You are delusional and brainwashed, and afraid to admit reality.

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I continue to post here because it is vital to let ABCs in America know that the option of coming back to Asia, although difficult, is still superior to staying in the West. In the West, nobody has your back.

We could make an enclave, but it has to be in Asia.

America never treated us like one of their own, and it’s not about to get any better.

It is also important to help spread the message to most overseas ABCs that they have been manipulated by their 1st gen parents. The 1st gen don’t care about what they are exposing their kids to in the West nearly as much as maintaining bragging rights. I, and some of my friends, will be writing more on this topic and posting it here and other forums later. The 1st gen parents are the real culprits behind this. Their naive decision to sacrifice a child’s social group just for bragging rights is now proving to have been extremely ignorant, short-sighted, and damaging – to their kids, that is.

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America is also China’s enemy so why does China invest in Western-led companies? China should invest in companies run by overseas Chinese like ABCs who are loyal to China instead.

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There is a fine difference between fighting a war where you have a viable strategy and feel like you can win, and fighting an unwinnable battle. Asian-Americans are dealing with the latter, assuming the current state of the so-called “Asian-American community” (in which women openly defect, parents outright deny any issues, whites don’t care, blacks don’t care, native Asians don’t care, and Asian males are afraid to actually speak up in public and have to resort to venting on internet forums).

When you have an unwinnable battle, the winning strategy is to retreat.

Asians have financial success? Who? Making $150K (tops) a year is not financial success. It is not adequate for really creating a network. You need a few billionaires to pitch in tens of millions USD to get anything done. Who would contribute? You got anyone lined up? How many Asian-American billionaires are there? Joe Tsai? Jerry Yang? Jensen Huang? Do they care about regular Asian-Americans?

Can you even get a group of 10 AMs together in the USA who can openly talk about these issues and start a website, start a movement, or create a Youtube podcast? I doubt it. Nobody cares, and even victims are afraid to speak up. The law enforcement is not on our side, the courts are not on your side, and even the FBI director can come out and openly shit on Chinese, saying all Chinese are a threat to US way of life. Yet, nobody did anything about it. Not even the Asians that the FBI director openly accused, without any evidence.

The so-called “Asian-American” community is just doing nothing, taking blow after blow, waiting to be eradictated, going the way of native Americans.

Asia is our real home, and that is the closest we can come to a turf.

BTW, in Asia, “pan-Asianism” doesn’t exist. You better have a country.

I’m not saying going back to Asia is easy, but in America, the chance for Asians (Asian-males, mostly), to carve out a turf is near fucken zero. And it’s going to get worse as China rises, b/c America will start restricting Asian-Americans even more. We were never considered Americans and will never be. It’s time you stop with your utopian dream of multi-culturalism. The world, and associated power structures, don’t work like that. Not that I don’t want that, but reality shows that multi-culturalism doesn’t work.

Blindly hoping that things are gonna get better despite all the evidence to the contrary is not a strategy.

“Dishonor my parents”? Dude, how brainwashed do you have to be to think your parents immigrated to the West for you? Let me knock some sense into you: They didn’t do it for you, they did it for themselves! 1st gen parents are nothing but traitors who used their kids as anchors in the West to scout out a foreign country and to provide them with a Western retirement. You’re so brainwashed by your parents Kool-aid that you aren’t even aware that your parents never cared how you would fare in the West – you were the sacrifice they had to make so they could enjoy a Western lifestyle (but in the presence of other native Asians). You were the lab experiment they made and now that it has failed, they don’t really care, cause it’s not themselves. 1st gen parents abused their kids and forced their kids to try so hard to “assimilate” to the West simply so they could use that as a bragging rights back home in China. Did they ever care that “assimilating” in the west wasn’t possible? I didn’t think so.

Don’t talk to me about honoring the 1st generation. They are traitors and selfish trash who sacrificed the happiness of their kids for bragging rights. They deserve to be condemned in the annals of history. I’ve been in China for a while now and believe me, no normal parents take a kid out of his/her social group and place them in an environment full of other races and thinks this is “normal” or “healthy”. No normal parents would see their kids bullied by others and yet still blame their kids for the bullying they endured (which is typical among 1st gen parents who blame their kids when the kids are bullied by other races at school). They prevent their kids from learning their native languages so they won’t ever be able to figure out what’s really happening in Asia and have to get all their information about their homeland from the parents, who purposely portray life in Asia as hell and life in the USA as heaven, even though the parents have never experienced the real USA themselves (as they hang out almost exclusively in Chinese circles). You’re being manipulated like a little sheep, and you are falling right into their trap. The 1st generation parents are spineless traitors and selfish, manipulative trash.

I see how much you’ve been brainwashed by your parents to think they sacrificed for you. That fact that 1st gen parents openly deny any issues faced by the 2nd gen in America is undeniable evidence that they don’t care about us and only care about maintaining bragging rights for themselves.

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I am agreeing with what you said, but I believe actually accomplishing what you said is almost outright impossible.

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Are you kidding me? “All we need is a bigger population”. How do we do that? With women defecting left and right and Hapas not looking like us and siding with whites, how do we increase our fertility rates? AMs will be eliminated in 20-30 years, eliminated from the gene pool. That’s exactly what the US power institutions want.

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Your ideas are correct in theory, but how do you implement in practice? Most Asian males I’ve seen in America are too scared to even talk about these issues. The few Asian males high up in corporations do not watch out for other Asian males. The Asian mindset has been brainwashed for generations to only watch for oneself, never for one’s own brothers and sisters. How do you realistically plan on implementing this in West, when you have parents who flatly deny the problem, women who openly defect, and males who are afraid to speak up, and Chinese / Asian natives who are now shitting on us?

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There’s a fine difference between fighting a “smart” battle by utilizing your strengths, and clinging onto false hope and making wrong analogies and not assessing the situation objectively.

  1. Blacks had worse circumstances but they stick and band together, watch out for each other, and make waves and protest. I don’t see Asian-Americans doing that. Most Asian males are scared to even broach the topic of discrimination. The situation is so bad, that you need Asian females to speak for the spineless Asian males.
  2. Jews are different. Their main advantage (that is not replicable by AMs) is appearance. Jewish people look like white mainstream population and can easily blend in, after the 1st generation. AMs don’t have this. One look at you and you are labeled foreigner. No matter what generation you are and how good your English is. That’s why AMs cannot easily replicate what the Jews did. You don’t have the sharp angular nose and face that Jews and Westerners share. People identify with each other based on subconscious appearance. Don’t underestimate this.

Realistically speaking, there is really little hope for Asian-Americans in the west. The only hope lies in building an enclave, but back in Asia. In the west, you control nothing, and the mainstream institutions will make sure we control nothing. Also, the rise of China itself makes white Americans even more distrustful of Asian-Americans, and also make native Asians less likely to respect Asian-Americans as well because we are viewed as a group that has no backing, no turf, no influence, no business value, no network value. From personal experience, I see a lot of Chinese students even shitting on ABCs in America, because they know ABCs have no status, turf, or standing. Employers are hiring lots of native Chinese and white people, but westernized Asians are getting sacked because they are viewed as not having any business or networking value, as people starting to realize they cannot blend in either the east or west.

I’m not pessimistic. I’m realistic. The realistic truth is that situation with AMs is extremely dire. If we don’t form our own enclave back in Asia, we will be toast in 30 years or less. We will go the way of the native Americans. That’s what the US government and westerners want.

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The one key weapon that Jews have that AMs don’t have is Jewish people look like white mainstream population and can easily blend in, after the 1st generation. AMs don’t have this. One look at you and you are labeled foreigner. No matter what generation you are and how good your English is. That’s why AMs cannot easily replicate what the Jews did.

Looks matter.

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It’s an uphill battle with a hill that has a 90 degrees slope.

Read my post above. I’ve copy and pasted below:

Tell me how AM can be strong in a country when:

the press, media, wall street, gov’t, and courts / police system are all controlled by whites and AMs have no influence and are systematically excluded

parents and families of AMs actively deny reality and blame the AMs themselves instead of society for not fitting in.

AMs in general, with few exceptions, have no sense of tribalism and do not help each other, AMs in rare positions of power do not help other AMs.

Native Chinese and those from Asia actively disdain AMs because they are viewed as people without roots.

In the fields of finance / law and even STEM, there are severe discrimination against AMs by both native Chinese/Asian employers and white employers. For American business, both types of employers want to hire whites. For Chinese/Asian business, they want native Chinese/Asians, not Americanized Asian Males.

Tell me, under this perfect storm, how does an AM gain “power” and respect. You gotta start with something. AMs have nothing to start with.

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Tell me how AM can be strong in a country when:

  1. the press, media, wall street, gov’t, and courts / police system are all controlled by whites and AMs have no influence and are systematically excluded
  2. parents and families of AMs actively deny reality and blame the AMs themselves instead of society for not fitting in.
  3. AMs in general, with few exceptions, have no sense of tribalism and do not help each other, AMs in rare positions of power do not help other AMs.
  4. Native Chinese and those from Asia actively disdain AMs because they are viewed as people without roots.
  5. In the fields of finance / law and even STEM, there are severe discrimination against AMs by both native Chinese/Asian employers and white employers. For American business, both types of employers want to hire whites. For Chinese/Asian business, they want native Chinese/Asians, not Americanized Asian Males.

Tell me, under this perfect storm, how does an AM gain “power” and respect. You gotta start with something. AMs have nothing to start with.

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At the rate it’s currently going, in 20 years Asian-American “community” in the West will have been exterminated.

Asian-American men are going the way of native Americans.

The only hope is return to Asia.

Come back to HK, we can create an enclave here.

Asian men, don’t just stand up for yourself and be assertive, become aggressive. Unlock the Genghis Khan inside you. Obliterate the timid pushover stereotype

冒昧打扰,Re_Arrange, 但是从你以前发的帖子和你对华裔在美国受到歧视的消极态度,我马上就知道你很不了解美国和西方社会。你肯定是在国内长大的吧?所以你根本无法理解西方社会对华裔的蔑视心态和动机。华人在美国屡遭欺负和凌辱的根本原因就是我们太被动,人家敢骂我们,打我们,欺负我们,可是我们总是逆来顺受,安慰自己,以和平的态度试图化解冲突。但是西方人不尊重我们华人 “卧薪尝胆“ 的作风。他们尊重的是武力,大说大喊,用肢体语言来确立权威。这个和中国传统文化是大相径庭的。所以如果你是在国内长大的,那你应该无法理解真正作为一个长在美国的 “美籍华人“ 的日常遭受的歧视。你有一个庞大的中国经济体和国家作为精神和社交支撑。但是美籍华人却没有,他们即不被中国人接受,又不被老外接受。这个问题不是忍气吞声就能解决的。我们就是因为忍了呢么久,别人才呢么轻易觉得可以欺负我们。

White worship in Hong Kong: you can’t end it if you refuse to acknowledge it even exists

LOL don’t worry. When China rises, we will start making shows making fun of white people, and bring down the future status of your children and offspring. We will make sure you get what you deserve.

Asian guys in the corporate world in HK/Singapore…how do I deal with white managers?

Fully agreed. I’d focus and pool our resources on helping Asian-Americans create entrepreneurship opportunities back in Asia.

I don’t think there’s much for us to do in the USA. We look too different to truly fit in.

Asian guys in the corporate world in HK/Singapore…how do I deal with white managers?

Fear of failure is never an excuse not to do anything. That’s the loser’s copout excuse.

We’re not talking about actual fighting, but we need to pool common resources and awareness to defeat white supremacy.

If you don’t fight, nothing happens. If you do fight, something might happen. Might as well fight, since you’re gonna lose either way.

Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

Asian airline going out of their way to promote White superiority and WMAF

Exactly. Whites don’t cater to Asians, but Asians bend over for whites.

Something deeply sickening and wrong with that.

Asian airline going out of their way to promote White superiority and WMAF

Yes the degree of unwokeness in Asia is about the same as Asian-American, but in Asia there are so many Asians that you can always find a comfortable place to hide. The number game works out.

In the USA, you have nowhere to hide.

Asian airline going out of their way to promote White superiority and WMAF

The answer is easy. Most natives in Taiwan are NOT affected by white worshipping. They can get Taiwanese dates without dealing with white people stealing their market share most of the time. The same with native Chinese. There are so many Chinese that a native Chinese does not have to worry about the occasional blatant white worshipping.

The only victims of this entire global media brainwashing process are the ASIAN-AMERICAN males who cannot go back to Asia because they don’t know the language, and must play against whites on their own turf in America on a completely uneven playing field. AA males are the victims of all of this, and no one is doing anything about it.

Weinstein Asian Executive Bey Logan Accused of Sexual Misconduct

That’s right. Everywhere you go, it’s a white story. Even when you read self-help books or profiles of successful people or biographies, the stories, 99% of the time, involve white people on their global adventures, white struggles, white issues, white entrepreneurs having fun and making a blast around the world, everything is specifically designed for white people. I’ve yet to see a self-help manual somewhere at a Barnes & noble about how to navigate white society thru an Asian-American lens. Everything you can find in the states is subtly, specifically designed for whites. The assumption is that if you’re an America, you’re white (or black). Nothing else is allowed. America has done a fantastic job fooling an entire generation of Chinese immigrants and yet despite the rise in articles telling the situation like it is, more immigrants continue to believe this myth that America is the land of opportunity.

Is a “Back-to-Asia” movement feasible and beneficial?

Then why is every single ambitious Asian-American male I know pretty much already moved back to Asia to work or to build careers? Sure, there’s more competition, but so what? At least you’re treated human. Unlike in America, where you work all you can and get nothing, scraps of white society. Which one is more mentally healthy?

From what I’m seeing, Trump will win a 2nd term and America will become even more hostile to Asians. What you’re currently seeing is just the tip of the iceberg. Give China another 20 years and it could surpass the USA. Then Asians in America would truly be treated like crap.

There isn’t just “certainly discrimination and limitations in the West”. It’s massive and blatant. You will never be partner, CEO, founder, investor, leader, an actor, a musician, a politician, a man, in the West. That’s huge. For me, that’s intolerable. I want to thrive, not exist. All Asian-Americans deserve to thrive. I can’t wait until the day Asian rises and makes white people second-class, and have the next generation of whites go through what we went thru. Poetic justice.

Trump’s Immigration Policy – Impact on further Immigration from Asia?

No one cares if Trump genuinely care for Americans of European ancestry. That doesn’t help us, in fact it harms us. We should be advocating for the impeachment of the orange clown.

Is a “Back-to-Asia” movement feasible and beneficial?

Really? The Americans on Wall Street and big law are pretty smart and well-connected to me. If you’re comparing to the average Joe in an average firm, making $60K a year, sure, you’re smarter, but so what? We didn’t do all that work in the USA and go to Ivy League schools just to be content with $60-80K a year.

You’re using a straw man argument here. I never said we had to be elected president to be happy. I don’t want to be the president, even if you gave the post to me. But for Asian-Americans, the limitations are far higher. Not only will you never be president, you will pretty much never be: partner, executive, leader, team director, investor, actor, politician, novelist, managing director, etc…. You will always be the grunt doing the tedious work while white bosses sip on martinis in the Maldives with their Asian wives while you struggle to get a decent date.

Have you worked in China? The majority (average Joe) is NOT as smart as you make it out to be, most people are also average (like in the USA). Your entire perception of the average Chinese being so “smart” is in itself a product of western media and propaganda.

Is a “Back-to-Asia” movement feasible and beneficial?

Lol, trust me, whites are not worried at all about Asian-Americans in America. If anything, they are more worried about native Asians. But native Asians have their own turf. Asian-Americans don’t. Asian-Americans don’t have anything. not even the courage to fight. Trust me, whites aren’t worried about Asian Americans at all. Our own infighting and inability to unite will destroy us.

Is a “Back-to-Asia” movement feasible and beneficial?

I’m not pessimistic. I’m worried. But the current state of affairs in the US with Asian Americans really worries me. There is literally no one doing anything about it, no one is even speaking up about it. I’m just as worried as you. I’ve seen how native Chinese or native Asians just hop over Asian-Americans and network directly with the West. There’s no place for Asian-Americans until we fight for our turf.

Is a “Back-to-Asia” movement feasible and beneficial?

I venture out into the real world every single day. I meet people in finance, law, and politics. If there were, I wouldn’t have written my first article in the first place. In finance, I don’t see any Asian-American partners or executive directors beyond the analyst level. In law, I don’t see Asian-American partners beyond the associate level (I specifically mean Chinese-Americans, if you know Korean-Americans well guess what Koreans-Americans think they are superior than Chinese-Americans and don’t want to unite).

Don’t pretend as if Korean-Americans are some how united with Chinese-Americans. That’s simply not the case. Too many Koreans just want to mingle amongst themselves and look down on Chinese-Americans. This infighting is useless. I’ve never seen a real Chinese-American partner in hedge funds, finance, banking, VC, or big law who actually did non-China related work. Of course, for the China business, they want native Chinese people to do that. So Asian-Americans are left out in the cold again.

Who the fuck is Steve Aoki? I don’t want to be a DJ. I want Chinese-Americans to be in high finance, politics, and law – the core areas of society. Not some DJ. Unfortunately, there isn’t much unity even between Korean Americans and Chinese Americans, so Chinese didn’t get much of a lift from Korean pop culture either.

I don’t think I’m too pessimistic. It’s reality. Asian-Americans need to start fighting for power. We’re being stampeded on and we are still trying to fool ourselves and assure us “everything is ok”.

Trust me, no one in the world is begging to be Asian-American. It’s literally the worst curse you can have.

Is a “Back-to-Asia” movement feasible and beneficial?

“Lots of opportunity and money to be made here”

LOL what money and opportunity is there? All I see are rich Asians bypassing Asian-Americans and doing business straight up with whites. Vice versa too. Asian-Americans have zero standing, and both sides know this fully now.

I don’t see any job descriptions out there specifically wanting the Asian-American background. You have zero edge. You’ll never be partner, never be board member, never be an executive, never be involved in anything that involves strategy. All I see are job descriptions that require “native mandarin”. Or job descriptions that basically want you to be white so you can network with core America.

Show me a single Asian-American male who made lots of money from being the “middleman”. In the eyes of a Chinese, anything you can do, whites can do better than you. In the eyes of whites, anything you can do, local Chinese can do better than you. Any such “middleman” role was 10-20 years ago (people like Joseph Chai & Jerry Yang just got lucky, to be honest). Native Chinese don’t need Asian-Americans to be any middleman now. They can go directly to whites. Asian-American is an empty label, there is no standing on either side. What edge does an ABC have? Nil.

Show me a single job description on Linkedin or anywhere that specifically wants to hire “Asian-Americans”.

Guys who calls out WMAF skew and AM emasculation vs the guys who pretend it doesn’t exist.

The “pretend everything is fine” AMs are usually not ambitious in dating or career and for them, being 4th class in America is good enough. After all, they are ok with a low salary, they just want to get by. They have no dreams, and don’t even scrap the glass ceiling.

It’s usually the high quality and ambitious AMs who complain of racism. Because they realize everyday that the color of their skin is the only thing holding them back. They understand they already work harder than comparable whites or blacks and are not getting the same level of results.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

I can do more from Asia for the AA movement than you could possibly do, with your loser mentality, even from America/Australia. I will tell the real story of how whites degrade Asians and I will make it heard around the world. You can keep hiding under your covers and refuse to admit you’re a coward. You have done absolutely nothing for the AA movement so what right do you have to even discourage other Asians from doing something?

How the fuck do you know I live a comfortable life? Western privilege? What western privilege? What the fuck is that? I’ve struggled in so many areas of my childhood and teenage years and early adult years. If I didn’t struggle do you think I would have had such strong motivation to relearn Chinese? Currently in China I see absolutely zero western privilege for me, an Asian-faced guy. Asia has changed so much that an Asian-faced guy who doesn’t know the native language is a fucken liability. As it stands today, western privilege is for white faces only.

Have you noticed, whites don’t think like you. They go around the world, think they are the saviors of humanity, and that they deserve everything in the world. They subjugate cultures, enslave people, rape women, discriminate people of color, set up castes, because they’ve convinced themselves they deserve fucken everything. That’s WHY they are so strong today. Their mentality that they deserve everything is what CAUSES whites to be so strong today. The lack of this mentality is what cause Asians, especially AAs, to be so damn weak.

With your loser and self-defeating mentality – you have no chance at all if you don’t wake up and change. Asians need to start forming a belief that they are superior or at least equal to whites, and deserve equal or more than whites, in order for Asians to even have a chance. The low social status of Asians is exactly due to the community’s loser mindset, that whites are in some way deserving to conquer the world and that Asians should just step aside and become loyal servants.

There is no “peaceful coexistence” in this world. If you’re not dominant, then you’re being dominated. Racial politics is a zero sum game. Nobody will play nice. Whites will gladly do everything they can to ensure that you don’t have a wife and family just so they can fuck Asian girls one more night. Nobody cares about you if you don’t even care about yourself.

Nobody respects a person who doesn’t even respect himself.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

Dude, you’re a pathetic loser.

Whites earned it? What did they earn? Did the whites who benefit from white privilege today physically fight World War II? Did they? They didn’t. They were just lucky to be born white. Being born white doesn’t take skill and doesn’t take effort. It’s pure luck. They didn’t earn anything. They never put in anything to begin with and they are getting extra returns.

Note how your mentality is that of a LOSER. You convince yourself – whites “earned it” and that this is their turf. Well, they certainly don’t have that mindset. They go to Asia, Asians’ turf, and still act like they own Asia! Just for being white? The main different between whites and a loser like you, is that you are afraid to grab what is rightfully yours, and whites don’t even blink to grab something that’s not even theirs to begin with.

You admit Asians didn’t fight hard so that’s why they don’t gain recognition in the West. Then why don’t you go out and fight harder for us? What are you doing? You’ve basically chickened out and convinced yourself that it’s not worth fighting for since America is white’s turf anyway. So you’re not even fighting. So what do you want? You want someone else to fight the fight so you can take the benefits without putting in too much risk?

I left the USA because I realized the Asian-American community seems to be full of people who justify racism against Asians by trying to be a lapdog for whites. People who perpetuate and support their own genocide. That includes toxic 1st gen parents, and also toxic 2nd gen sellouts like you who actually find justifications for the completely unacceptable cultural genocide that whites are dishing out to Asians in the west. People who don’t even respect themselves, and don’t even have the balls to either learn their own language or to die fighting for their beliefs and rights, are not people I want to associate with.

Let me tell you, if you want to remain in Australia or whatever and are too fucken lazy to pick yourself up with some dignity and learn Mandarin, then you better get ready to die fighting, or be permanently enslaved by whites and made into a eunuch with no girlfriend and no family. After all, by your own admission, why would Asian girls date you? They’d want the superior whites anyway.

I’m first class and I don’t need whites or anyone telling me who I should be inferior to.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

Dude, enough arguing with you. You have a weak slave mentality and you just don’t get it. You’ve admitted yourself you’re lazy and don’t want to learn Mandarin or improve yourself. Ok, then be happy being a slave to whites then.

If “no one deserves anything”, then whites should kindly hand over power and influence to the Asians, as they don’t deserve it either. Do you agree with that?

What do you mean the west isn’t your home turf? For the ABCs who were born in the West, who had no choice in coming, the west is very well their home turf. They have just as much to do anything in the west as whites. If that’s not reality, then we will fight and make it reality. You sound like a fucken 1st gen immigrant who is happy enough to breathe fresh air, stuck on the lower end of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.

The very point of this forum and debate is to find ways for Asians to move higher, grab more, create our own turf, own our assets, live better lives. If you’re content breathing fresh air and living under white rule then continue to enjoy being a slave. I have no such intentions, nor do many others on this forum.

You’re just a loser who is ok with living on your knees and justifying your own eventual elimination out of the gene pool at the hands of white supremacists. Continue to hit the gym. No matter how buff you get you will still be second class compared to whites, always and forever, if you choose to do nothing to fight it directly. Enough with your weak mentality and failure to address the issues.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

Dude your answer is such a cop-out and mumble-jumble that I can’t really understand which side you are on. You started out posting stuff that actually made sense, now you’re just posting a bunch of watered-down justifications for why white people are actually superior to Asians and it’s an honor to work with them.

Maybe it has to do with your personality. You’ve mentioned several times you’re lazy, don’t have the time to learn Mandarin, etc…. Then it’s your own problem. Maybe you’re just trying to reverse justify to yourself that being in the West isn’t so bad at all, after all, shouldn’t Asians be grateful for being in the West?

All I’m saying is your attitude isn’t gonna do shit to help the ABC community in the USA, Australia, or anywhere. You want ABCs to “just be happy” and “go to another country if they aren’t accepted in the USA or China”. Where the fuck do you want them to go? Every single person born on this planet has a natural right to be accepted somewhere, but the arrogant and selfish 1st gen took away that god-given right for Asian-Americans. How is happiness not linked to social acceptance? You can be happy living everyday knowing the world around you shits on your and limits you in every way yet you can’t even dare speak up about it? Damn you have some super low expectations in life. No wonder you’re lazy and can’t find the motivation to improve yourself.

Don’t go around gaslighting Asian problems by saying “even whites rebel against their parents…” We don’t need that garbage here. Whites rebel against their parents, and it works, because the general society is still helping them, or at least not being a headwind for them, unlike it is for Asians. Don’t ever dare compare Asians to whites. Two completely different situations.

Occupational success is fucken important. If Asians don’t rise up the ranks, how the hell do you expect Asians to donate to other Asian causes and build any semblance of a community? Scrapping along middle class isn’t gonna help Asians in the West build assets, gain capital, and become the next Jewish community. You’re playing the lazy game here. If you’re fucken lazy and content being a loser and don’t want to work your ass off, at least don’t discourage others from doing so. If all the Asians in the west were like you, there won’t even be an Asian community in 20-30 years. Without money, Asians will become taken advantage of by other races more and more, there won’t be an Asian community in the West in 20-30 years at the rate we’re going right now. Money is power. Money leads to influence, media, politics, and power. It’s time Asians in the west get on board.

The situation with ABCs, especially males, in the USA is actually, in many ways, WORSE than the cultural revolution. You sound like you’ve been drinking your parent’s cool-aid and been brainwashed to think the cultural revolution was so damn bad. Sure, it was bad, but at least it wasn’t based on race. What’s going on with Asian males in the USA right now is even worse than the cultural revolution, because they are being eliminated silently but visciously, under the disguise of a democratic country. Asian males get treated like absolute shit in this country and don’t even have a channel to protest. The courts, the police, the judges, no one will sympathize with you, and implicit, or even explicit, racism against Asians is tolerated in the work place, on media, in dating, in every single facet of life. That’s why I moved back to Asia already. At least I face reality like a man and don’t go around finding lame justifications for why a society that’s trying to get rid of my race is actually “good”. Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees (although you’d probably prefer living on your knees).

You think you going back to China and talking with some random grandmas on the street and getting their praise for you being “westernized” means privilege? Have you worked in China before? Have you actually been in competitive environments where you are forced to compete with whites or FOBs of our generation and age? Tell me, what fucken privilege does an ABC have? Where do you want ABCs in this world to go, so they can have both social acceptance and good career prospects? Oh yeah, you don’t give a damn about career, I forgot.

From the drastic change in tone between your current and historical posts, I can see that you’re really confused and desperately trying to justify staying in the West is so glorious. You’ve said many times you’re lazy and don’t want to put in the effort to study Mandarin. I take it for you, just getting along in life is good enough, you’re not hungry to make something for yourself or keep climbing. Asians like you are the perfect type of people to remain in the West under white’s rule, work for them, and let them take most of the credit. If I were whitey, I’d love to hire you too. Let your work your ass off while I enjoy the fruits of your labor and continue making media that destroys your status but give you only enough to continue to survive and work for me (making me richer). But lots of people want more, and therefore your views don’t speak for or represent those Asians.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

I think you understand no one wants to feel supplanted

Good, most ABCs don’t want to feel supplanted either. So why should we have to deal with this garbage that’s being put out by whites? Why are you trying to find justification for what whites are doing? It’s awfully hard to understand whose side you really are on. Personal happiness is intertwined with your social status in America. Many ABCs I know (especially males) are unhappy but not cognizant of what the true reason behind their unhappiness in America is. You need to live in Asia for a while to understand the true reason why Asians in the West are unhappy, but unwoke. Most ABCs haven’t done that, so they don’t know. You’re just finding excuses to 1) do nothing about your lot in America, 2) not moving back to Asia, and just keeping everything the way it is, aka, Asian-Americans getting shit on by everyone.

I find it interesting that the overall tone of your posts over the past few months has changed from one of being fully awoke to the issues of Asian-American discrimination in Western countries to the current attitude of “we should just be grateful that we live in a Western society full of privilege, even if we are worse off than whites”. It seems you’re really confused and want to desperately convince yourself that we don’t have it that bad as ABCs in America. Well, let me tell you, we do have it pretty BAD. But we can work to change that. Or we can find excuses and do nothing, and let the next generation have it EVEN WORSE.

Your prior point about ABCs actually making more money than average whites shows that you are completely ignoring the reality that Asians work many time harder than these whites and therefore we fucken deserve to make more money, no shit. There are plenty of research statistics out there (google it) that prove that for the SAME amount of education, Asians actually make less than comparable whites. Why is that? You’ve completely chosen to ignore this important fact in your argument. Dude you total come across as desperately trying to convince yourself that whites are somehow not racist at all. You find excuse after excuse to justify whitey’s behavior and say that somehow Asians in American should be treated badly because we are a minority. Do you even live in America? Or are you from Australia? If you’re in Australia, then don’t comment about the situation in the USA unless you’ve lived here and experienced it. And I also am confused … why are you on this forum then? Based on your logic, there’s no reason to complain at all if Asians are treated like shit in America, because after all, like you said, it’s the white person’s territory. We should shut up and be grateful. Personally, I know I deserve better and have more self-respect than that.

Why shouldn’t I compare myself with FOBs in the west? I know many FOBs who went to Ivy Schools and I’ll tell you I personally don’t think these people are superior to the top ABCs in any way whatsoever. What makes you think if I grew up in China I’ll be worse than them? I can’t think of anything reason, personally. I’ve tutored many FOBs in finance starting from undergrad. While I can’t guarantee I can get into the top university if I were a FOB, I’m pretty fucken damn sure I can get into a high quality university in China if I grew up there and make my own choice about coming to the USA. What’s special about FOBs? Have you spoken to them? They aren’t any more brilliant or insightful than anyone else. They just happen to be extremely lucky people who got the best of both worlds. Nothing I can’t do.

Do you really think most of the first gen who came to the USA 30 years ago “had it so hard”? Give me a break. This is one of the false propaganda stories that the 1st gen likes to put out to “justify” why they came to the West. I’ve traveled extensively in both Asia and American and spoke with many people – the 1st gen’s argument that “they had it so hard” in China holds no water. While a small % probably had it hard, the vast majority came because they were enamored with the West and wanted to ditch their Chinese compatriots to suck up to whitey. They came in groups and had each other for emotional support. They had their own language and culture identities and never had to experience 1/10 of the racial discrimination that ABCs (who belong on neither side) had to go through. Sure they made less money but everyone made less money then. From an emotional/psychological angle, these immigrants had it fucken easy compared to ABCs who have no emotional support anywhere. Many of these immigrants weren’t even that poor (compared to others around them) in China, they just were greedy and wanted more, and were happy to sacrifice their sons and daughters to satisfy their own personal pleasures. If they had stayed in China, they would not have starved to death. They could have survived. But they got greedy. Simple as that.

Personally, I’d pick being a FOB over an ABC any day. As I said before in my posts, if you’re poor, you can work to get richer. But if your an ABC then no matter how hard you work it doesn’t matter, cause you’re always be stuck between the two races. You have to have membership in one race first before your hard work is acknowledged.

There is absolutely no privilege of “having grown up in the West”. Dude your views are like 20 years behind. Have you been to China lately and actually worked in a competitive setting (as opposed to just speaking to people on the streets)? What privilege do you have? Privilege is what helps you get resources compared to the competition who don’t have privilege. Does your ABC status in China help you with that in the job market? I don’t think so. They want localized, native Chinese people who can get stuff done. Some ABC with mumble-jumble Chinese and can’t even write isn’t gonna get any respect, even if he has a degree from Stanford or Harvard. Plenty of smart people from Peking University, Fudan, or Tsinghua to do the job well. They might initially think you’re awesome to have a degree from the west, but the moment people realize you don’t know jackshit about the local customs or have crappy Chinese, they treat you like shit. You’re not white. Only whites have “western privilege” in China. If you don’t believe me, I encourage you to apply to a few positions in China in your industry and see how they react to an ABC who can’t even speak Mandarin properly. There is absolutely no privilege. I’m currently in China right now and I’ve spoke with a few ABCs who have come back. You are ostracized by Asians and whites alike if your Mandarin sucks. Only whites get special treatment in China.

With your attitude that the “glass is always half full”, you’re basically telling everyone not to do anything about A-A’s complete lack of social power and standing in the West. That affects a lot of people’s happiness. You’re just finding excuse after excuse to not do anything. You’re basically justifying the whites’ behaviors by saying they don’t want “to feel supplanted”. No shit. ABCs don’t want to feel supplanted either. Why aren’t you doing anything about that? Are ABCs less of a human being than whites?

TDIL: The new Co-CEO of Carlye Group, the world’s #1 private equity group, is Asian American Kewsong Lee.

This is FANTASTIC news. It remains to be seen whether or not Kewsong will be able to foster the growth of an elite Asian-American club in finance, or will he just side with white interests and neglect Asian interests altogether (which has been the case with past rare instances of Asian-Americans moving up the ladder). Asian-Americans cannot afford to be making the same mistakes over and over again, generation after generation.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

And yes, I want to see Asians become one of the most dominant races in America.

That would be good for all of us. Why wouldn’t you want this to happen? Why are you finding excuses to convince yourself it’s actually “not so bad” in America, despite reality to the contrary?

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

There is nothing to be “grateful” for. Asian Americans born in America are Americans, they deserve nothing less than the full social privileges of white Americans. Otherwise, the ugly truth of America (equality, democracy, etc…) needs to be fully exposed for all to see. Asians make more $ than whites in America because they work 5x / 10x harder. If Asians had the same political and social privileges as whites did then Asians would be making FAR MORE than they are right now. We are currently getting far less than we deserve.

With your attitude, Asian-Americans will never make progress in America because you’re basically telling everyone to “be happy” because even though America is bad for Asians, at least you make more than in Asia. That’s nothing more than gaslighting the fact that Asian Americans don’t have equal privilege to whites, and not even blacks. We make more on average b/c we work so many more times harder. We actually deserve MORE given how much we put in, if the social and political playing fields were equal.

If you can’t stand Asia and just want to find excuses for staying in America yet doing nothing to help the Asian movement, that’s your problem. At least have the balls to admit it. But don’t go around gaslighting Asian-American movements in America by telling people to be happy with their lot. You will never make progress this way. Whites can always tell you that no matter how bad they discriminate against you in USA, you’re still making more than in Asia.

Comparing how much you make in Asia v. the USA, as an Asian living in the West, is a joke. For most Asian-Americans, USA is their home turf, where they grew up, so they should fully deserve to be equal to whites. Nothing less. Arguing that they should get anything less is a copout and gaslighting.

Career & Mentorship Thread

Surprised no one’s on this thread. Are most users all under 25 or something? Does no-one care about career (or anything other than dating)?

How Asians can win America

That’s why I decided to move back to Asia. My effort to reward ratio was simply too low.

How Asians can win America

This is what I’ve been saying for years.

I see white and Jewish people around me in their late 20s early 30s getting access to a lot of fun, startup opps and getting funding from their friends, family, or networks, whereas Asian-Americans just get stuck working for others in the 30s and 40s with no visible upside.

To gain power you have to OWN assets. To own assets, you have to make investments, get funding etc…. These values are not taught by toxic 1st gen Asian parents, who only want their kids to study, play piano, and follow directions – white man’s directions, that is.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

From my personal experience, even at where I am today I have LOTS of trouble integrating with mainstream Chinese society. I still get treated differently. As I said before, your mainland Chinese better be NATIVE, which means you better be able to read and WRITE!

The standard required for ABCs is too unreasonably high for any average person to overcome. Most ABCs should start learning Chinese but it is true most are too lazy or find it too difficult. But I have to admit it is very, very hard and it’s not fair that the average ABC has to go through this while the standard for whites learning the language or for FOBs learning English is a lot lower. FOBs can have shitty English and still thrive in America with Chinese social circles (in which they all speak Chinese) and also whites are more likely to befriend fobs because they know fobs represent a massive market / business opportunity in China.

People should not be expected by society to learn a language to native level if they don’t have the environment. People should not be forced to learn a language to native proficiency in order to gain acceptance and belonging. That’s what’s so wrong about the current situation with Asian-Americans. It’s morally and ethically wrong.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

The new generation of Asian immigrants who have a ton of money (which they made from Asia) don’t give two flicks about Asian-Americans being discriminated against, cause it does affect them.

It’s the sad, unfortunate, truth. They don’t care about Asian-Americans at all.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

1. The situation in the USA is completely different from Australia.

2. There are many American born Chinese heritage kids in America who were dissuaded or prevented from learning their native language that now they are in their mid-20s, they CANNOT even go back to Asia and survive. Asia doesn’t take Asian-faced people who don’t know the local language like a native. Simple. So these people are essentially stuck in a white-dominated society and they have no escape.

The entire premise of my first original article on Wenxuecity wasn’t that no Asians should come to America, rather, it was that parents should let the kids make their own choice, when they are old enough to evaluate which side they like better.

People (mostly butt-hurt 1st gen traitors) misread my entire article and take the conclusion out of proportion. I never said “don’t come to America”. But rather, “let your kids learn survival skills in Asia first and then let them make their own CHOICE”.

How hard is it to understand?

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

The Asians who tend to be satisfied with the West, are typically the ones who have firm roots in Asia and voluntarily chose on their own terms to come to America. They have native fluency in their own language (reading and writing) and have the mental support of being able to return to Asia or fit in Asian circles in America should they choose.

The ones who are not satisfied with the West are typically the Asian-Americans who were brought to the USA by their parents at an early age, who did not have the chance to learn their own language, and typically who have some sort of ambition or goal but realize it’s very difficult to achieve because of white racism or glass ceilings.

IMO, it’s better to be an average Asian in Asia with a sense of belonging, rather than a lonely Asian-American with no social or political support in a country that actively tries to say “fuck you” to your hard work.

Ironically, only by having lived in Asia, can you fully understand and feel confident when in the West. Someone who has lived in Asia for 10-15 years and then came to the west, has a completely different psychological makeup compared to someone who was born in the West or came at 4 years old and doesn’t even know why he is being treated a second class citizen in his own birth country. Don’t underestimate this difference. It is HUGE. The mental attitude makes ALL the difference.

One’s sense of happiness comes from one’s relative standing compared to one’s environment. An Chinese in a western Chinese village who makes 100 Yuan a month and whose neighbors make 90Y a month, actually feels more satisfaction than an Asian-American living in Chicago making $100K a year but whose white colleagues are raking in millions as they are getting promoted to partner, stealing Asian women, and making fun of Asians in subtle ways.

You make the mistake of comparing absolute quality of life to relative quality of life. It’s the relative quality of life that determines your happiness. And for Asians living in the west, your relative quality of life is the lowest on the totem pole.

Happiness comes from relative superiority compared to your surroundings. An ABC who might make less if they return to China and have a less sophisticated lifestyle can EASILY feel happier if they are away from a white supremacist environment. All the material fulfillment in the world is nothing if I’m not respected by the people around me. That’s the core of the Asian-American problem.

Perhaps your advice would be better summed up as: every Asian-American should relearn their language and spend some time back in Asia, and make the damn choice themselves as to whether or not they want to live in Asia, have a sense of belonging, but perhaps with less sophisticated tech, or live in the USA with clean air and free internet but totally a 4th class citizen with no political or social representation or meaningful business networks.

Let each person make his or her damn choice.

Why do certain Asian cultures welcome WMAF with open arms?

Native Asian males don’t really care too much about WMAF because they can easily get AF back at home.

But by doing this, they fuck up the dating market for Asian-Americans. But they don’t give a shit because it’s not themselves.

That’s the truth.

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The announcement could be related to a formation of some type of NEO Alliance similar to the Ethereum Alliance. That would be BIG news, but not gov’t related.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

I think your scenario is one of the rarer exceptions. Most of the Asian-Americans I know in the USA came with their parents who were part of the 1980-90s immigration wave. Their parents didn’t have it so bad in China, but were brainwashed by Western culture and wanted more than what they already had, hence they decided to come here. While this choice in itself is understandable, what I’ve actually seen over the years is that even if their kids tell them the truth about the severe racist against Asians in America or any Western dominated society, the parents actually don’t want to listen and choose to continue living in their dream land. In many cases, parents even blame the kids themselves or in some cases beat them, which makes the situation worse for kids as they lose not only society’s support but also their parent’s support.

Basically, if you’re ABC in America, there is no organized group to support you in anything. You’re on your own, while everyone else has a group or society to support them.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

This won’t work. LOL. Parents did not come to US for us, they came for satisfying their own delusional fantasies, at the expense of their kids and their own parents back hoe in Asia.

Moving back to Asia is the ONLY choice. Whites will NEVER let you gain power or money in their own home market.

With all the WMAF and Hollywood anti AM propaganda out there, there won’t be an Asian-American “next generation”.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

They can just change the EEO laws to fuck you over. Whites make the laws. Whenever they see Asians trying to take power they will just change the game to put you at a disadvantage once again.

The only solution is to go back to Asia.

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

How do you get money in America when making money requires successful integration into white community to have access to markets and funding?

Unless you are a genius stock trader or small biz owner, I find it very difficult how an Asian-American (especially male) is every gonna make enough money by himself to gain power.

To make money you need integration with white society, because you’re making money off white people and their markets.

There’s plenty of rich Asian immigrants in America like Jerry Yang, Jeremy Lin, founder of Nvidia, founder of Pandaexpress, etc… who have money but no power at all. So even if you make it rich (rare in itself) you can’t enter politics.

So is this advice actually practical?

How can Asians in the west find happiness?

Starting your own organization is itself subject to the bamboo ceiling. I’ve rarely seen successful Asian-American entrepreneurs based in the West without partnering (and handing control / power) over to whites.

FBI desperate to find violent group targeting Asian businesses

That’s idea, but never gonna happen.

White America will never give up power. They’re not gonna let you have your own Asian American police and hospitals.

Best bet is to go back to Asia or go to Hawaii.

Shanghaiist refuses to die and is back

Why not start a Shanghaiist website in China to caricature the west in the same way they’ve done to us?

Let’s build our identity

HarvestDream, Asian-Americans have tried this for the past 15 years and unfortunately it hasn’t worked.

Azn males who want to survive and thrive in the USA need to start standing by each other’s side and helping each other. Otherwise it’s game over.

The only other choice is to (re)learn your native language and head back to Asia, your true home.

Do you notice a lot more Western born Chinese are learning chinese these days?

For those who are interested, here is a link with the 3000 most commonly used Chinese characters:

https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/497432977.html

How should you raise your kids as an ABC?

In this globalized age, I would recommend you DON’T raise your kids as ABCs if you want them to remain competitive in the global jobs market.

ABCs don’t have any edge in most industries involving client interaction.

How much is it a “cop out” to return back to an Asian Country after being born and raised in America?

If you’re an ABC in the west who does not know any Chinese, you don’t have much to “sacrifice”. It’s a 4th level life anyways, might as well do something to help others and build good karma.

How much is it a “cop out” to return back to an Asian Country after being born and raised in America?

Yeah but people will always be asking, “what’s in it for me”? Some people will ask, what’s in it for me? If I sacrifice my life and never get to enjoy the fruits of my work? Short-sighted, but most people think like this.

How much is it a “cop out” to return back to an Asian Country after being born and raised in America?

In my opinion, the Asian-Americans who vehemently do not want to go back to China are in reality just finding an excuse not to put in the thousands of hours necessary to learn the local language, such as Chinese Mandarin. They don’t want to put that work in, so they try to find a subconscious justification that even though USA is bad, China is still worse. Not so. It’s FAR better to live a normal life in China than to be an average ABC in America, where you are 4th class (beneath whites, blacks, and latinos)

Warm, dominant East-Asians face more racist harassment in the workplace than those who fit the stereotype of being cold and non-dominant. Only East-Asian men are punished for showing dominance, compared to men of other races and ethnicities.

Fully agreed. The other way I’ve seen Asian-Americans rise to the executive / partner level is if they are gay and date white males, but that makes them more like Asian females rather than Asian males, and obviously is not a practical path to take for most AM.

Warm, dominant East-Asians face more racist harassment in the workplace than those who fit the stereotype of being cold and non-dominant. Only East-Asian men are punished for showing dominance, compared to men of other races and ethnicities.

That’s correct. In Silicon Valley/Big Law/Big Finance/Big Consulting, the only value of an Asian worker is providing the firm with Mandarin language skills if the firm wants to invest or do business with Chinese clients. Besides this, if you are an ABC who doesn’t know Chinese, I’m afraid to say your choices are pretty limited. So let this be a wake-up call for all ABCs to start learning Chinese like your life depends on it – cause it does.

Asian activist logic: complains about how Asians are portrayed in the Western media – makes a white-worshipping documentary promoting interracial relationships

Most so-called “Asian Activists” are not truly supporters of Asian-American rights, but support selling out to Black Lives Matters or white causes. They are lead by cowards who are afraid to make waves and to fight to make a difference. To really make a difference in fighting for A-A rights, you have to be not afraid of death or imprisonment for upholding your views. Most people aren’t like this – they are afraid to say something that will stain them in a bad light. It’s a Catch-22.

Warm, dominant East-Asians face more racist harassment in the workplace than those who fit the stereotype of being cold and non-dominant. Only East-Asian men are punished for showing dominance, compared to men of other races and ethnicities.

From personal experience, I would say a key reason for the lack of Asian VC funds in the USA is primarily due to lack of support and funding compared to whites.

I know quite a few people in the VC circle, but you can clearly see the barriers to Asians starting their own VCs in America, if you don’t have the backing of Chinese capital, are significant. It is difficult to get any type of institutional white support – you can have the best investment ideas / analysis and they will steal it from you and raise money themselves. Also, VC requires networking and relationships with the companies you are invested in – namely you need great relationships with board members of those companies who will allow you to invest and at what terms. These are highly dependent on them viewing you in a good light, which is extremely difficult for Asian-Americans. In fact, while I’ve seen a couple of VCs that have one Asian-American as a partner, they are always still led by white partners, with the Asian guy pretty much not having much of a say. I’ve yet to see a VC firm based in the USA solely led by Asian-American founders / partners. In fact, there are more VC funds based in California run by Chinese natives than ABCs, which again supports the reality that ABCs don’t have any type of institutional backing whereas native Chinese have the support of the massive Chinese economy and the Chinese people. I don’t like to say it, but the truth is, ABCs are not doing well and the future looks increasingly dim if you don’t know Chinese.

As an ABC i think it’s not society’s fault but rather the family’s fault

I agree with the OP on the premise that the main failure of the lack of status with ABCs in America is primarily due to irresponsible parenting, with society as being really the secondary, but not most important, factor.

From a certain point of view, you can’t really blame white society for doing what they do, as they are really just protecting their own interests from being taken by people not within the “in group”.

The big sin, and folly, comes from the 1st generation parents who are naive and stupid enough to believe that America is such a fair country and you will be rewarded for working hard, and that assimilation into white society is possible. If they weren’t so naive and dumb, we wouldn’t have half the issues that the ABCs are going through now.

Speaking from personal experience, here’s how my parents reacted when I told them the truth about America when I realized that there was a race war going on between the whites and other races, especially Asian-Americans:

  1. My father called me a loser and blamed it all on my lack of confidence, which, in reality, was not true, as I was already super confident.
  2. My mother and father kicked me out of the house several times and flat out denied that whites could be capable of such actions or would harbor any racist motives.
  3. My parents, for several years, told others that I was delusional and was brainwashing everyone else, as they desperately tried to paint a picture of America as being benevolent and fair. In effect, they proved that they were happy to sacrifice their own son (only child as well) to prove loyalty to a group of white people who didn’t gave two shits about Asian-Americans in the first place.

From my personal experience with just my parents, I’ve learned the hard lesson that ABCs have ZERO chance in America. It’s impossible to start any type of movement or have any cohesion when your own parents, the two people who should unconditionally love you without question, are more loyal to whites than to you, and would happily gaslight your concerns to save face. At least from the actions of my parents, I saw very clearly that for them, immigrating to America was for themselves, their kids, and their parents back in China, be damned.

If parents can’t even support their kids and instill in them a sense of pride in being Chinese, and make sure the learn Chinese in an appropriate environment, believe me, there’s NO HOPE for Asian-Americans to carve out some type of niche somehow in white-dominated USA. No chance. Every generation needs to build on the shoulders of previous generations, yet in our case, the previous generation not only did not give us shoulders to stand on, but actively SABOTAGE any of our own efforts to build anything.

The real problem lies with the 1st generation parents who do not give their children any social standing or support, while Jews, WASPs and whites have all types of social support. There is no chance Asian-Americans can win under these conditions.

The Most Self-Respectable Thing You Can Do

You will find there are limitations on what you can do in America if you’re not white. Because otherwise, Asian Americans would be…

  1. Replacing Hollywood and making our own movies – except where do we get the budget?
  2. Start our own investment banks and insurance firms and steal loads of market share from white shoe firms – except – where do we get the money and the support?
  3. Electing Asian-American representatives to political positions and making sure Asian-Americans get the best career opportunities and the best media representation – except where do we get the votes?
  4. Creating the best Asian-American military so no one can mess with us – except where do we get the funding?

You see, so it’s not “do what you want.” If it were really that easy, this sub-reddit wouldn’t exist.

And no, I don’t want to work at McDonalds.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

It sounds like you’re not happy with the situation in America but since it doesn’t affect you personally, you don’t feel the need to do anything about it, even if it’s to help the greater population or perhaps even your kids in the future. I think there is a duty to do more.

My point is even if you change yourself like you’ve been saying, it doesn’t really work. You’ll still be targeted more than whites when you go to a new office / work / location. You’ll still be denied opportunities to grow at work and to lead and to be involved in strategy and upper management, much more than the average white person. In America, it is impossible to be “accepted” into white society and have self-respect for your own culture and race, if you’re Chinese-American. You must pick one or the other. You can throw away your culture and talk shit about your own race and make fun of your own people to gain acceptance, but even so, you won’t be fully accepted and you will still be an outsider. Or you can keep your head up high, say fuck you to anyone who is racist, but find yourself without much friends at work, especially if you want to climb higher. I don’t know what industry you’re in, but in finance, business, law, and consulting, I’ve rarely seen a true Chinese-American anywhere higher than analyst / associate. And they work 10x harder than the white dudes who party all day and get promoted partners and make millions and buy beachfront houses. Blacks are almost non-existent in these industries, but at least they have a solid media presence in entertainment and sports (although the white guys still control the paychecks).

Fundamentally the white race doesn’t want to respect yellow-skinned people, and there’s nothing you can do about it except find reasons to cope or convince yourself that it’s just a few racist white people, not an entire society. I don’t want to delude myself, and I don’t want to live a life of just lying to myself when evidence all around me point a different direction.

You talk about media and politics. Sounds like you’re not interested in these areas. But you’ll find EVEN if you were interested, you wouldn’t be able to join the industry that easily without cooperating with the stereotypes white society has put on you. My point is it’s not that easy to “just join politics”, “just do media”, “just start a company”. Each of these things, if you actually gave a shit and tried, you would find each step to be very nuanced and you would have to rely on support from white people. A Chinese-American who enters politics will never be able to campaign on behalf of other Chinese-Americans, but will have to cater to white demands and end up marginalizing the needs of Chinese-Americans. If you start a business, anything more than a local Chinese restaurant or small clinic is going to demand actual connections with white people and funding, which, again, requires you to basically shit on your own culture to gain acceptance or trust with whites. You also have to negotiate with suppliers, customers, etc… which, if you don’t know Chinese, you’re basically stuck with white customers, and you will have to deal with subtle, but pervasive micro-aggressions and other acts of racism. How you can tolerate that on a daily basis for years boggles me. I can’t. A lot of people can’t. We deserve better, especially the Asian-Americans who are already giving it their 200%. We deserve to life with some self-dignity and self-respect, like 99% of the people out there.

Your entire argument that “nobody owes us to make things easier for us” sounds like an excuse to justify white institutional racism against Asians. That’s not right. On a individual basis, nobody owes you anything, but on a SOCIAL and RACIAL level, society has an obligation to make sure different races are given EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES. Otherwise, America should not advertise itself as a the land of equality and freedom, as clearly that’s not the case. And if it isn’t the case, WE have a duty to tell the truth to people in China and Asia, so they don’t make the foolish mistake of coming to the USA and basically feeding their kids Western culture which is poisonous to them. Compared to you, I’m not that selfish. I feel a duty to inform others.

Your nonchalant attitude towards politics, media, business, suggest to me you haven’t really tried doing any of these, and that’s why you think racism isn’t that limiting of a factor in America. When you actually try to baller up, try to hit management level, get promoted to bank MD, consulting MD, partner at the law firm, etc… you’ll notice how being Chinese-American, but with no knowledge of Chinese or Chinese customers or Chinese markets, and just relying on whites, is a massive disadvantage. You lack the connections, you lack the social support, you lack the positive stereotypes on the media, you’re basically fighting a one-man battle against an entire civilization. Doesn’t sound like a winning strategy to me, TBH.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

LOL I’ve seen too many “angry” Asian-Americans like you who don’t want to move back to Asia but try to do mental gymnastics to convince yourself USA is a “fair country.”

Look how pathetic Asian-Americans have become, arguing with over Asians on a forum about how we can improve ourselves to better play the game that whites dictate and keep changing.

Look, if you really believe what you are saying, why are you on this forum? If you really believed there isn’t a real problem in America against Asians, and that it’s all because we don’t work hard enough, why are you on this forum?

As for work – sure, nobody owes anybody anything, but that means nobody owes white and Indians and Jews anything either. So why do they have an advantage? Why do they realize the importance of bonding together and using race to gain an advantage while you’re advocating playing fair?

It’s clear to me, as I try to reason with you, that you really have no career & life ambitions for anything other than dating. Pretty short-term view on life bro. You can find solace with JT Tran. Sometimes, I do get tired of all these discussions on dating, as if racism stops when you find a date.

The real reason you’re on this forum, is deep down inside, you know something isn’t really right with your life, and it’s caused by the fact that Asian-Americans don’t have social status in any Western country. But you aren’t brave enough to admit it, so you live under the delusion that Asians just need to work on improving ourselves. And also, you aren’t brave enough to admit we need to coalesce together to have a chance at any political breakthroughs, so you try to convince yourself that it’s all about personal effort.

Have you tried to start a company? Have you tried to join a party and get involved in politics? Probably not, seems like your life standard is extremely low. Maybe that explains your ability to tolerate western racism on all levels. Seems you’re quite satisfied being second class. I’m not. And a lot of talented, ambitious Asian-Americans are NOT.

Let me ask you: why should Asians be working 10x harder than everyone else for the same or lesser results? Why? Why not change the rules so that our return on per unit of work is higher? Why are you so content on being second-class? Why do you have such a loser’s mentality? Why do you enjoy being second-class so much? Boggles my mind.

If everyone took your advice, nothing would happen, because whites will continue pumping out anti-Asian racist Hollywood garbage and you will continue to be barred from reaching higher levels of society, even if you work hard. I’ve been there. I have friends who have been there. Everyone in their 20s think they can “break the glass ceiling” but when you get to 30+ you’re find these dreams and delusions coming down to reality. USA is a white-dominated country, and if you have an Asian face, you, as an AM, are basically an outsider (unless you are gay and date white guys). It’s not what you think of yourself, it’s what whites think of you.

It’s clear you’re experiencing deep frustration in life, otherwise you wouldn’t be here. LOL. But your advice, “just improve yourself” – that’s old man. People said the same stuff 10 years ago and nothing has changed a bit. Striving to improve yourself is meaningless if no one does anything about the environment background. Everyone in America plays the race game and uses that to their favor, except Asian-Americans, many of whom are like you, trying to convince yourself we just need to improve ourselves. Seems like you don’t mind being a class (or several) below whites.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

LOL chill bro. You sound like a little kid just out of school who’s main hobby is pickup. I’m married 🙂

I’m not in this fight because I want to date. My wife is the best girl in the world. I don’t need to improve dating skills or to gain acceptance here.

I’m talking more about career and respect in life. There’s more important things than dating. I’m talking about how Asian-Americans are basically shut out from the financial and political, and tech centers of this country.

The vast majority of Asian-Americans face glass ceilings at work, even if you are confident, assertive, you’ll still get labeled and stereotyped. Very rarely do Asian-Americans rise beyond middle management. And a lot of work focuses on relationships with clients. Asian-Americans who do USA-only related work have a huge disadvantage in this regard. Yeah, white are not stupid. The moment they realize you do better work than time, or have deeper insights, they will play race politics to steal your credit. Who are you going to complain to? If your colleagues bully you, your boss is still likely to be white. Your bosses boss is also white. It’s white all the way up the chain. What power do you have?

That’s what bothers me. I don’t see enough Asians rising above this glass ceiling in finance, law, politics. That needs to change. Who said this was about dating. Whites dominate wall street, Washington, and silicon valley, along with groups of Indians. East Asians need to start organizing and stand by each other on a social level, not just blindly improve on an individual level and retardedly trying compete with other East Asians while trying to ally with whites and Indians, who aren’t really on our side when shit hits the fan. Every other race basically complains and units to push their agenda (whites, blacks, Christians, even women and LGBT). The only group that doesn’t play this game are East Asians / Asian-Americans – we are stupid to be “playing fair” when all the other groups are not. Even billionaires like Sheryl Sandberg writes books to complain about how women don’t get fair treatment. Boohoo so unfair for her, complaining about how women suffer so much, yadada. So you have white billionaires writing books about how life doesn’t treat them fairly, and here you are trying to tell other Asian-americans to not complain and just improve yourself? Well, in many cases, being able to improve yourself depends on a conducive environment. If we don’t change the environment, how can we really improve?

You talk about if a white guy insults you, just insult them back. Sure, that works, but that doesn’t change the fact that you, by count of being Asian, will be targeted for insults and indirect innuendos much more frequently than the average white guy. That’s not right. You are talking about fighting back when there is a conflict, I agree. But what I’m talking about, is the underlying reason why there is a conflict in the first place. It’s because whites think they can get away with making jokes about Asians, whereas they are more hesitant for other races. That’s not right. Whites should not have the right to make jokes about Asians in the first place. That’s what I’m getting at. And in many cases, if you insult them back, you are labeled “not a fit” with the team culture. So it’s a game that cannot be won, because the rules are made by whites and they will make sure no matter what you do, you don’t possess the power to make the rules. If you don’t fight back, you are labeled “passive and weak”. If you do fight back, you’re labeled “not a team player”. You can’t win this game unless Asians take control of media and entertainment outlets in the USA, or create our own that has significant visibility

For these reasons, and I’ll tell you from personal experience, you can work 10x harder than the white guy, and he will still likely have an advantage during promotion over you, because the boss is white, the boss’s boss is white, all the way up the chain. All he has to do is put in a little effort and because of the way the society is organized, he will likely show better results than you. He will be able to relate to colleagues, co-workers, bosses, clients, etc… than you, in most cases. So you’re fighting a losing battle from the start. You admit yourself we are only 1-2% of the population. So you can work all you want but your career advancement is limited. Of course that’s not fair, and of course this is reason for concern, anger, and action. My point is, if we’re only 1-2%, we better start bonding more tightly. If we can’t, then trying to change something when we are only 1-2% is futile. We should just move back to Asia.

I don’t want to hear all this crap about Asian-Americans dominating ivy league schools, when no one cares to talk about how well Asian-Americans do in real life. Did you see this recent report by Asian-American lawyers from Yale Law about the urgent need to address the glass ceiling issue?

I suggest you read my initial posts on reddit. There was very little discussion about girls. I’d like to help other Asian-Americans solve the dating puzzle if they want advice, but it really isn’t about girls for me. It’s about career, and social / political influence in life.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

Um, isn’t that the whole point of this forum? Of all these discussions? Do I need to repeat the entire history of this forum? Are you a troll? Or one of those “optimistic” ABCs who thinks racial discrimination is all in your head and that Asians are treated fairly in America? There’s nothing wrong with your suggestion of improving yourself, but trust me, I hit the gym, I work out, I dress nicely, and I have friends who do this all the time, yet they are still second class citizens who do not all the opportunities available to whites. This is not something you can solve on your own without positive media reinforcement, whether it be in the news or in the movies / TV.

That’s why a lot of ambitious ABCs I see around me are moving back to Asia. By ambitious, I mean people who want to start their own companies, make money, have a meaningful career, build meaningful connections, invest, etc… USA doesn’t allow you to do that if you have an Asian face – you’re at a massive disadvantage when you want to do something more than just being a regular employee. You’re just deluding yourself if you think otherwise. There are statistics to prove this, as well as my own personal experience and the experiences of many of my friends, many of whom went to the top universities or even grew up in California. USA is a self-destructive and negative feedback environment that’s not healthy for proper mental development for Asians, unless you already have Asian roots, which you probably don’t. So the proper solution is to improve yourself, but also work in improving the social setting. Otherwise you’re just working your ass off in a vacuum, nobody cares. Not even the parents of ABCs care, LOL. How much worse does it get?

An important disclaimer: not all Asian-Americans have the same experiences. Admit it or not, Korean-Americans or Japanese-Americans tend to be more tight-knit than Chinese Americans. So if you’re a Korean-American living in California, you’re gonna have a drastically different experience than a Chinese-American living in the Mid-west. So when you make these comments about “just improving yourself”, you should consider your environment, appearance, and family background before you make a bold assumption that everyone should view the world in the same way you do. Not everyone can improve themselves in the same way. A well dressed, not so good looking guys, is still not so good looking. There’s only so much you can do if your physical appearance isn’t the most well-accepted by Western culture (which tends to favor “western looking” Asians). Most of my comments specifically apply to Chinese-Americans, as I am Chinese background myself.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

“not giving a shit” will lead to nothing. The reason Asian Americans have no social status in America is exactly because too many Asian Americans don’t give a shit about fighting for equality and are happy being second class citizens.

I want equality of opportunity, that’s not the same as a handout. But all else equal, I’d rather have a handout than a handicap, which is what Asians are getting now. I don’t think anyone would complain with getting a handout. You can work hard and also get a handout, that’s what’s happening to Jews and WASPS. Sure, some of them work hard, but they get tremendous tailwinds and opportunities because of their race. Isn’t that a handout? I bet Asian-Americans deserve that too.

One person can’t do much. There’s only so much you can do to “separate yourself from the pack”. If there’s no broad social / media movement or increased awareness amongst Asians that we need to stick together, then the impact of one person is utterly useless. There will still be stereotypes, you’ll just be the exception to that stereotype. Nothing will change.

Black people have higher status than Asians because they complain. You’re still under the FALSE assumption that whining and complaining = bad. It’s not. That’s how you play the USA system. Blacks at least have their own culture, they get affirmative action slots, and have strong media and sports / hollywood representation. Even successful blacks like Michael Jordan or Lebron James complains about racism all the time. It’s how you get social power in the USA, you complain, protest, organize, and play politics nonstop. Asians need to understand that putting your head down doesn’t equate to “dignity” or “respect” or anything. It means getting taken advantage of by other races. Tell me, what type of “respect” do Asian Americans have? We get shit on by whites and blacks across the board, you call that respect? Asian girls actively defeat and shit on Asian guys, you call that respect? Other races demean and demoralize us and we don’t even have the means to fight back, you call that respect? You really think no one thinks poorly of us? Everyone thinks Asians are easy to push around. There’s no respect. If you don’t have respect, how do you make money? What use is getting fit? I’ve still seen plenty of fit AMs struggle even compared to an average white guy. We get no respect from this society, and the solution is not just work on ourselves without paying attention to playing politics and affecting change in the social system itself.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

I would disagree. It’s has been said for years within the Asian-Am community that if you complain, you’re just a whiner, and that real winners keep their heads down and work hard. I don’t need to tell you, but if you look around, that’s not how it works in real life. I don’t need to get into how aggressive blacks are about asserting their rights. But white people also complain when things don’t go their way, or when developments don’t favor them. When Senators and politicians make speeches in public, that’s a form of “complaining” that Asian-Americans would look down upon. It’s not complaining, it’s asserting our rights and asking for fair and truly equal treatment. If you don’t assert your rights, someone else will assert theirs over yours and you will end up working X times as hard for a fraction of what you deserve. That’s what is happening in the Asian-American community, I don’t need to tell you this. We keep our heads down and fight amongst ourselves, while the rules are changed in ways that make it harder and harder for us to do anything.

I believe hard work and improvement on our side is necessary, but we are already doing that. We are already doing way more than average whites or blacks. Why should we continue to press ourselves even harder while paying no attention to how the rules are developed? What we really need to work on is the complaining / asserting your rights side. If we continue to view “complaining” as a form of whining, then don’t expect Asian-Americans to make an iota of progress in USA or anywhere.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

Parents who choose to put kids in situations that screw the kids over, makes life for the kids painful and miserable with no road to take, and who purposely deny this reality when they are told about it? That doesn’t sound like emotional abuse to you? Maybe your parents are different, but lots of parents are like that. I think it’s deeply unethical and immoral. Parents should support their kids no matter what, not side with whites and gaslight the struggles of their own offspring. That’s not ignorance, that’s downright selfishness. It’s like me going to some forum about the Holocaust or Cultural Revolution and saying just people I didn’t experience these things, they didn’t happen and victims are just losers/complainers who need to act more confidently and their problems will disappear. Do you think that’s appropriate?

I’m not going to comment on whether you think I’m truly “Asian-American” or not. As if being Asian-American is something to be proud of LOL. Personally, I’d pick being native Chinese rather than being ABC all day long, but too bad I can’t pick. Sadly, the Asian-American is becoming increasingly marginalized in today’s society where China keeps rising and Asian natives interact directly with white Americans. The sooner you adjust and realize that, the better.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

Keep deluding yourself. I’ve already changed myself for the better several times. Whites will always stab you in the back when the right time comes, or when they don’t need you anymore. We don’t need more chicken soup here, we need real action. Create a website that highlights Asian issues, network with Asia, etc… Do something. Just improving yourself isn’t enough.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

The issue isn’t they were ignorant when they came to the USA, but they purposely choose to remain ignorant even today when we tell them about these issues – they refuse to believe their own sons/daughter and pretend like white society’s actually good and that it is their son/daughter with mental issues rather than realizing that it is the white society whose purposely dividing the Asian culture using subtle and oppressive tactics. That’s the crime. Not the initial ignorance.

Roof over your head, food, education are all responsibilities a parent SHOULD have. If you can’t provide these, don’t have kids. Kids didn’t ask to be born. Don’t make it sound like just because they provided us food they are somehow saints or saviors. Their parents also provided them food yet most Asian-American parents choose to abandon their parents in Asia so they could selfishly come to the USA for themselves, screwing over their kids in the process with their deliberate and purposeful ignorance.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

“Asian American parents, especially immigrant parents, I find, are so far removed that they are incapable of understanding our struggles.”

Then that’s an ethical / moral problem that they are guilty of. They are the ones who brought us into this circumstance, yet now they want out of any responsibility? Unethical at best and criminal at worst (could probably file lawsuit on count of emotional abuse and reality denial)

You want better Asian Representation Right?

Not doing anything about improving Asian media representation on an institutional level isn’t gonna get you anywhere either. The point of the political movement is to level or tip the playing field in a way that allows Asians to WORK LESS and GET MORE. What you’re advising is for us to work EVEN HARDER (despite an increasingly hostile environment that seeks to oppress us) on improving ourselves, as if we aren’t already. That only makes matters worse. Taken to its extreme, this type of “focus on improving yourself, just ignore the environment” type of thinking is what leads to pressure buildup, depression, and suicide.

Leadership skills aren’t based on well-dress and attractiveness per se, but they are definitely based on stereotypes. In this case, Asians happen to be labeled: without leadership skills. No matter how confident and assertive you act, in a white dominated environment, you will find your authority and respect will be very limited. You can talk all you want, be confident all you want, etc… but none of the white people around you will listen or take you seriously. If you have some great idea, some white guy is going to chip in and take credit for it. And other white guys will play along. Nobody will stand on your side. If you file a complaint, the boss will turn a blind eye. If you protest in courts, the judges will turn a blind eye. That’s reality for Asians in white dominated racist USA. I’ve seen it again and again.

Sure, AM issues aren’t a “death sentence” per se, but they are bad enough that something must be done collectively, now, or otherwise they will only get worse. Telling yourself to “just improve yourself” is a joke. We’ve done that. For years. It doesn’t work. The whites will change the rules to make sure you make no progress.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

It’s not that easy. If it were that easy, we wouldn’t be discussing these issues on this forum. You can be the hottest Asian guy and still not have any chance of promotion or influence in white society. I’ve seen plenty of these around. Plenty of Asian males are attractive and dress extremely well. They still don’t get promoted into leadership positions in America.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

the dorky, asexual nerdy stereotype was in itself concocted by racist white society. You’re playing right into the stereotype they’ve set up. In China, plenty of dorky, nerdy guys get very attractive girls. So fundamentally you’re shaming yourself and judging yourself using the very stereotype (conceived by whites) that you’re trying to fight

You want better Asian Representation Right?

I would start by convincing your parents of the Asian-American struggle. If you can’t even convince your parents, it’s going to be impossible to convince white society. Nobody gives a damn, unfortunate, but sadly true.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

There will be no switch if white people still control the power, money, and media centers of the USA. White people have gotten by based on their skin color for the past few centuries and nothing has changed.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

And how are you gonna do that? This battle is not winnable without China’s power. The strength of Asian-Americans, collectively, in the USA, is absolutely insignificant compared to even blacks, let alone whites. Leveraging China is the only way.

You want better Asian Representation Right?

Fully agree with chopsticko & 19930423LDr here, along with some others.

By framing the argument as saying “we need to improve”, you’re basically sticking a big “fuck you” to the reality that most Asian-Americans already dress well and have great manners and work hard. Let me repeat, the problem isn’t “we need to improve ourselves”. The problem is: NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE IMPROVE OURSELVES, WHITE PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS CHANGE THE STANDARDS SO THAT WE ARE REPRESENTED IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT.

If we can’t take over Hollywood, politics, and Wall Street, we will always be straddled by stereotypes, negative ones. It has nothing to do with how much personal effort you put in. If you want change in the USA, Asian-Americans better get populations up so it is a significant % of the US population, and start being involved in politics in an aggressive manner.

If you can’t do this, don’t bother wasting time “improving yourself” in white society. You’ll never win this game. Learn some Chinese and find work in Asia is a far better option. And don’t find excuses for not wanting to return to Asia. If you are complaining about USA racism against Asians every day, but don’t find it enough of a motivation for you to move back to Asia or start relearning your language, then you are essentially discrimination against your own country. Don’t be bitching about how badly A-As are treated and yet refuse to move back to Asia because you still feel life is so good in the USA. If you really feel life in the USA is bad, go back to Asia, there are English-speaking places there.

Best Career and Major for Asian-American Males?

but when you hit the real world you will find 99% of society’s power structures and resources are controlled by whites. There is a reason it remains this way. Anyone who tries to deny or ignore this is an ignorant dumbass.

Best Career and Major for Asian-American Males?

The glass ceiling at top 25 universities is even worse. Better schools = more elitism and old fashioned white racism.

What a great time to be an Asian Male

We need to push out Jewish, white, and Indian finance MDs who make far more than their fair share of the profit pool, and replace them with East Asian faces. That’s the only way to shatter the glass ceiling. No other way.

Or you can go back to Asia.

What a great time to be an Asian Male

I’d like to know how much “money” are you talking about here. No way a 乖乖马宝 Asian male who listens to his mom is really gonna be making a shitton of money. No more than $150K a year I’d guess.

That’s PEANUTS compared to how much white / Jewish / Indian partners / executives make. They make millions every year.

We gotta aim for MUCH higher than $150K bro.

What a great time to be an Asian Male

I’d like to know how much “money” are you talking about here. No way a 乖乖马宝 Asian male who listens to his mom is really gonna be making a shitton of money. No more than $150K a year I’d guess.

That’s PEANUTS compared to how much white / Jewish / Indian partners / executives make. They make millions every year.

We gotta aim for MUCH higher than $150K bro.

What a great time to be an Asian Male

SomeRandomLeftist – your advice is too idealistic for this dog-eat-dog world, unfortunately. You can tell yourself to just ignore all that racism and be your best on a date or job interview but you will find yourself rejected and limited in a lot of circumstances (or backstabbed) anyways.

You advocate a pacifist mentality when the correct mentality should be the conqueror’s mentality. China should brainwash the world into thinking Asian men are the most attractive, and we should do our best to devalue the white race as much as possible so they cannot find jobs, dates, or ever live a happy life. The goal should be to relegate whites to second class citizens who work for Asian-raced capitalists. Nothing less. Trust me, there’s no place for “co-existence” in the global fight for racial dominance. Dominate, or be dominated. Winner takes all.

Anybody else feel like they’re unable to be close friends with white people anymore?

Yes I def feel it. Every since I became awoke a few years ago I’ve had trouble with befriending white people in a real, genuine type of way. There are good ones out there but in general you can’t trust them. The higher up you go in your career the more this is the case (white people can’t be trusted). They will typically pretend to “befriend” you if you can offer something that helps them, like knowing an Asian language or markets (to help them make more money). I’ve noticed more white people trying to “befriend” me to gain some insights into the Chinese markets and business opportunities – these same white people do NOT make friends with other ABCs who them deem to not understand much about China.

There are good ones out there, but overall it’s not worth the time. I’ve been hurt pretty bad with trusting white people years ago. Over time, cultural differences and racial implications are too severe to ignore. It’s hard to befriend white people when you go out together with them and the world gives them one type of treatment and gives you another, solely due to your race. Relationships like this just don’t last, because one side (you) feel like you’re always getting the short end of the stick.

In college I’ve had some white friends, but once you enter the real world I feel like it’s almost impossible. When people start talking making money, all morals go through the roof and people’s tribalism and racism come out in pretty obvious ways.

Tinder must be punished for their insolence. Here is my proposal.

Tinder and OKcupid are owned by the same company, IAC Interactive.

We need more discussion about Asian-American career issues. There is a lot of messages on dating but not enough on career success.

I’m sorry to hear you’ve had such a negative experience.

The situation does seem quite bleak. Lots of talk on this site about activism but almost not productive action at all. This site is becoming just a place for people to fume.

But then again, it’s the chicken / egg problem. No one is in a power to do anything, but if nothing happens, no one can attain such power.

We need more discussion about Asian-American career issues. There is a lot of messages on dating but not enough on career success.

A lot of A-As on this forum seem to be satisfied that they are making good money, so even if it’s working for whites and facing racism, they’ll deal with it. I get that, but that doesn’t solve the problem at all.

The larger issue is, you’re never gonna increase the social status of Asians if we don’t start becoming owners of capital in this economy. You can make $300K a year but you’re still an employee, and will be fired when you are more loyal to Asians than to whites. Asians don’t control any capital in the USA except for small businesses and restaurants and the occasional Silicon Valley company like Nvidia or Zappos. That means we will always be stuck at this “employee” level and never the “owner” level.

Until A-As are amassing capital, taking partner positions, becoming shareholders, etc… we will never have any social capital to do anything in this society. I know of a few Chinese circles in the Northeast USA who are collectively trying to affect legislation and have a voice to fight against policies that are Anti-Chinese, which is a great progress, but they are using the economic power and money from China. I’m sure there’s similar stuff in California, but you have to be enclaves where there are a ton of Chinese or other Asians.

A-As first need to think like owners, become owners, and hire other Asian-Americans to management positions, in order to emulate Jews. Unfortunately, it’s a chicken-egg problem, I’m not sure what the solution is to be perfeclty honest. The very few A-As who are in mid or upper management positions in the USA have absolutely no desire to hire other A-As. In fact, a few I know actively try to push other A-As down to butter up to whites.

Given the sorry state of affairs in the USA, I’d say go to California / Hawaii, or go back to Asia.

We need more discussion about Asian-American career issues. There is a lot of messages on dating but not enough on career success.

From what you’re saying, there’s nothing to be done then. After all, A-As are happy with 100-200K salaries, with no power, and that makes them happy to be discriminated against.

I take it the only way for someone to do something is if there’s a monetary benefit to themselves for uplifting the entire group? Well, nothing’s gonna change then. Cause everyone “wants to help” but there’s not incentive for anyone to do anything first, because there’s no incentive. After all, you already make $200K / year. What’s not to like?

Reaching out to College Daily (北美留学生日报) to get Asian-Americans’ message out to China and rest of Asia

There’s this guy called “Brian” who seems like a total Chan / sellout to me. He’s been answering questions from Chinese users with a total attitude of obliviousness and stupidity, no mention of career and dating at all.

We need more discussion about Asian-American career issues. There is a lot of messages on dating but not enough on career success.

How can you make “good money” but have no power in an organization? That sounds like a contradiction.

If you’re happy with “good money” and no power, then I guess there’s nothing to fight for, if you’re satisfied with your lot.

We need more discussion about Asian-American career issues. There is a lot of messages on dating but not enough on career success.

Fully understand this situation, what I hope to accomplish is by increasing awareness of local Chinese and local Asians of the plight that Asian-Americans face, and through mutual understanding, I hope that recruiters in Asia will stop seeing Asian-Americans are “haughty” or “westernized traitors” or whatever but as misguided victims who did not pick to grow up in the west by their own volition and want to contribute to their motherland. We are just as loyal to our motherland as the people who grew up there, we were not taken to the USA by choice in most cases. Recruiters should not penalize us for something we did not do. We also contribute valuable deep understanding of western culture to Asian companies that want to expand abroad.

Ultimately, I hope that Asian-Americans will have full access to the opportunities in Asia as people in Asia wakes up, and this will give Asian-Americans a path out of the white-dominated USA. I don’t expect much progress to be made in the USA, for the simple reason that A-As do not control anything and if anything, America is becoming very xenophobic and unwelcoming of non-white people in general.

Reaching out to College Daily (北美留学生日报) to get Asian-Americans’ message out to China and rest of Asia

This has really nothing to do with being a mouthpiece of the CCP.

The subtle and pervasive racism and discrimination faced by A-As here, the lack of a proper social and professional network, no professional cohesion, the social isolation of A-As, the lack of empathy / understanding by family members, etc… is a true, real issue. These issues lead to depression, loneliness, glass ceilings, lack of political representation, etc….

留学生日报 seeks to reveal a lot of these truths and help Chinese who are so eager to immigrate to understand the complete picture.

Just because it’s the truth, paints the USA in a less flattering light, doesn’t mean it’s automatically a mouthpiece for the CCP.

It’s important to tell the truth. That’s all it matters.

We need more discussion about Asian-American career issues. There is a lot of messages on dating but not enough on career success.

HenLiHai, I fully 100% agree with what you said, but I think despite being dealt our bad cards, we need to focus on the action.

Pls see my suggestions about creating some type of portal to help A-As find jobs in Asia, or to connect them Asian employers here. Also, my other post about reaching out to 北美留学生日报。What are your thoughts on this? I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts too about what specifically we can work on.

We may have been dealt the shittest cards possible, but we can’t just complain for another few years and no one takes action or doing anything about it. We have to try something.

Maybe we will be rewarded in another life if reincarnation is true and we try our best through this one 🙂

How do you communicate with parents who are asleep?

I feel your pain completely bro. I’ve been having lots of issues with my parents as well, despite everything I’ve said they still prefer to live in indenial of the emotional and racial issues that AAs have to deal with in the West.

You are economically self sufficient right? From my POV, the best way to deal with these toxic parents who can’t spot their own flaws, is to CUT OFF all ties from them altogether. You have to draw the line somewhere and if parents are going to affect us in negative ways without being able to have a frank conversation, but just blaming their own kids and cutting the wound deeper, just forget about them.

TIL on a trip to China, Prince Philip joked to students that “if you stay here much longer, you’ll go slit-eyed”. After initial concerns of offence, it was revealed that Chinese authorities were unconcerned. They explained that travelling Chinese students were likewise warned not to go “round-eyed”.

Westerners are the most racist fucks in the world.

Fat British scumbag smoking in a no smoking zone & throwing around racist insults in Macau.

If I see this white trash anytime in China / Asia I’ll personally beat the shit out of him. Guaranteed.

Can someone walk a beginner through how to safely store NEO in a wallet?

Question: is there a limit to the amount of NEO you can send at once?

Can someone walk a beginner through how to safely store NEO in a wallet?

Let me take a look, thanks a lot though

AMWF couple talk about the troubles they face being in a relationship

That’s the way everything in life should be, totally race neutral and based on merit and ability.

Trump, GOP senators introduce bill to slash legal immigration levels – Let hope this doesn’t get pass.

I told you guys that they would restrict Asian immigration into America. I said many times before, white people control the laws, and will change the rules of the game when they feel Asians are trying to increase their numbers in America to increase political power. The whole argument calling for more Asians to come to America to build Asian enclaves simply doesn’t work!!

I said this would occur – that’s now white people think – everything is a race game. The USA constitution is a lie, democracy is a lie – it’s all created by white people to protect / promote their own interests! It’s not for Asians or any immigrants or even blacks!

Pew Report: 54% of US born Asian Females will marry out

Abc1986, totally agree.

In your opinion, how much $ would you need to have to feel comfortable about speaking up in a white dominated environment and not give shit? $5-10 million?

Pew Report: 54% of US born Asian Females will marry out

There are by far not enough Asian Americans to do anything in an organized fashion in America. It’s sad but it’s the truth. To organize a movement, you need money. Who is gonna back the movement up? The rich people in Asia don’t care much about these issues and haven’t experienced this – they will come to America and speak directly to the white people. Look at Jack Ma talking to Trump. I’d bet Ma didn’t talk to Trump about how badly Asian-Americans were treated in USA.

How many truly rich Asian-Americans do you think there are? How many of them would care about backing us up? Most are even afraid to speak up, from what I’ve seen.

Also, given the current state of affairs, how can we expect every single Asian America to be woke? Half are females and are probably lost causes, leaving half of that being males. How many of these males are gonna stand up and unite, overcome their cultural / language / Asian-ethnicity differences?

Even if there is a movement, to really make a difference, you have to have people threatening some type of violence or disorder if things don’t get changed, and that will involve early movement participants going to jail or even dying in some cases. Who’s willing to make this personal sacrifice? Also, law enforcement and judges are white, and are likely to not stand on the side of Asians if there are any political movements that turn to violence. Also, media is controlled by whites. They are very aware of what’s going on and are doing their best to prevent any Asian-American movements from being publicized in a good light. Even if they

I’m not pessimistic, I like to think of myself as being realistic. If anyone can lay out an actual, plausible blueprint for how Asian-Americans have any chance, without involving early movement supporters to basically sacrifice their lives, then I bet many people here, including me, would be totally up to hearing it.

Pew Report: 54% of US born Asian Females will marry out

Sadly, I agree with 1990_soviet’s conclusion.

Pew Report: 54% of US born Asian Females will marry out

Not a bad scenario at all.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

sanjugo, why the fuck should I listen to the advice of some idiot who’s 1) never been to America, 2) has no personal experience with Asian-American discrimination?

What do you have to offer? Your advice is meaningless. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

Precisely, that’s exactly what is going on. That’s why ABCs need to learn Chinese. Even though hard, it’s better than nothing, and can help you gain some dignity back.

Sorry to be blunt, but I think the chance of some independent Asian-American movement to be very unlikely. Too many toxic people. What chance can it succeed when AF and even ABC parents don’t give a damn?

I’m still trying my best to convince any ABC parent to see the truth – it’s slow, but gotta start somewhere. Usually it’s better if you explain in person, rather than via online or something (people just get into an insult war)

AMs and AFs are not allies

That’s right. Why the fuck assimilate. Have whites compete to assimilate into Asians. Asians should be running the show.

Basically, China and the USA needs to have a war, and China wins, and occupies the USA for a few generations, for Asians to rewrite the order

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

Sanjugo fucker,

How the fuck do you know that many posters on this forum HAVEN’T tried 10-20 times already and that’s how we know “working hard” and “not complaining” in the USA doesn’t work?

I suspect most people on here have already tried many things and aren’t just sitting around complaining and asking others to give us things for free. Most have tried much harder than the average white person and, through pushing the boundaries, learn that white America sets restrictions on Asians.

You not having been in America, not even Asian, and never experienced what we’ve experienced means you’re advice is garbage. If it were so easy thousands of Asians would have done it in America already.

Fuck you and hope you get cancer, bastard pig.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

You haven’t done anything yourself, you are really in no position to be giving useless junk advice, white fucker.

China will be superior to the USA one day, and you will be put in chains and made a slave. \

Then I’ll give you some advice after the shackles are on you.

White pig.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

Go fuck yourself white shill. Go die.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

Then shut the fuck up and quite giving useless advice! You haven’t even been to America, how the fuck do you know about what’s Asian-Americans are like? Fucken shill. Go fuck yourself white loser.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

You’re really pathetic. The big problem is you’re not Asian-American so you have no first hand experience. Your advice is useless. Don’t give advice when you haven’t even experienced it firsthand. You are in no position to lecture.

Simply put, you have no logical counter argument to my points, you fucken trash.

Planting a garden and making partner at a firm or building a company are two fucken different things, you retarded moron. White shill.

It’s not as easy as “just go create a company.” Why don’t you demonstrate for us? But you’re not even Asian-American, you’re a third party speaking from a neutral point of view. If it was so easy to “just create an industry or company”, then why hasn’t any Asian-American done so already? You think we’re all stupid and you’re the only smart one?

So based on your logic, the Jews who were discriminated and killed by Nazis just didn’t work hard enough? You would blame the Jews? You’re fucken pathetic.

So your advice has very little weight. Many users on this forum already said many times why isn’t very difficult to do anything big as Asian-American. Your advice carries very little weight because you have not experienced this yourself, and your talk is cheap. Anyone who doesn’t experience issues firsthand can talk about how those issues don’t matter. Should I be telling cancer victims that they are just losers who didn’t try hard enough, and if they tried hard enough, their cancer would be cured?

If it’s so easy, why don’t you go out and demonstrate for us and become a billionaire? If you can’t do it, or if you haven’t experienced anything like racial discrimination before, then first follow your own advice, and show results, before telling everyone else to do something you can’t even do yourself.

Your advice is basically saying to African-Americans: “Look, discrimination doesn’t exist, cause Barack Obama can be president.”

Well then nobody in this world should be complaining, cause you can always find someone who is the outlier. Your logic has issues.

You’re absolutely pathetic. If you can’t even perform the advice you’re giving others, your advice is fucken useless. You’re not even Asian-American, you have zero experience what’s it’s like.

Fuck off now, kindly. We don’t need trolls on this forum. I hope you fucken experience discrimination at some point in your life and you will learn firsthand.

New Yale Law study shows clear bamboo ceiling for Asian Americans in the law industry.

“I have a slightly different vision in this area. I foresee a parallel service sector. Just like in NYC entire banking and legal services by AsAm for the AsAm community. Even US bank have entire department of AsAm in retail windows to service the community.”

Agree with this completely but as I said before most AMs were fucked by their parents and didn’t learn native language (especially Chinese). So what do you want them to do now?

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

I warned that was gonna happen from my first article. It’s happening exactly as I feared.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

Jerry Yang is a true exception, 1 out of maybe a million or more. If you’re telling A-As to bank their chances on something as slim as this, despite all A-As pedigree and hard work over these years, you’re basically telling them, “don’t worry, you still have a chance. you just have to win the lottery”.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

But even if you look at Panda Express, it was founded by this guy called Andrew Cherng who grew up in Asia and then moved to the USA when he was 18. He spent his formative years in Asia. A vast majority (99%) of the successful Asians I know, in America, grew up in Asia, NOT in the USA. Where is the first billionaire Asian-Americans (who grew up in the USA)? Very hard to find. It’s very hard to succeed if you don’t even have your basic sense of identity.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

Good point with Panda Express, didn’t know it was a billion $ business. But again, restaurants. What options do you recommend for Asian-Americans interested in corporate development, consulting, or finance? Thx

New Yale Law study shows clear bamboo ceiling for Asian Americans in the law industry.

Seb_LDN,

I’ll give my views on this that I’ve gleaned from personal experience from both sides of the Pacific.

I agree with a lot of what you said about Asians in America just sucking at coordination and developing an “in-group” so that we can look out for each other, rather than being played by other “in-groups” like whites, Indians, Jews, etc….

You also make a good point about there being some rare AMs who do get to partner status, but don’t share. But my theory here is that a big part of how these particular rare AMs get to the top (law firms, finance, consulting, corporations) are due to a collection of factors that are essentially un-replicable by the majority of Asians. Sometimes, some guys get lucky. Luck is a huge, underrated factor behind a lot of things in life, whether we admit it or not. There will always be some AM who can somehow go against the tide and make it to partnership, or become small CEO, or something, but the fact of the matter is if you look closely at how these guys got there, it usually involves a significant amount of non-replicable, luck factors, including: happen to meet the right firm / right culture at an opportune time in the market cycle, family background factors that they don’t reveal even when you ask them, relationships (like marrying a white girl who is well connected, or if they are gay they are dating a white male who can open doors for them – obviously nothing against same sex relationships at all, but just pointing this out). I’ve seen in general, a lot of AMs who are gay and dating or married to white males tend to have networks opened for them. It’s really all about sucking up to whites. To network, you probably have to talk shit about your own race or berate your culture and make fun of other Asians. It’s not a sustainable cycle at all. The successful AMs I’ve seen in finance, law, consulting, political stuff, and entrepreneurship usually, 80% of the time, have one or a combination of these traits that are not shared by most other Asian-Americans. Sometimes, it could simply be that the AM looks extremely handsome with facial and body features that are very “western” (angular nose, deep facial features) in appearance, which on a subconscious level helps them blend in with white co-workers.

But sure, there are instances where you can find a successful AM who just gets there by sheer effort or will, but at the same time, you can find 9 other AMs who did the exact same thing but didn’t make partner because of racial profiling. It can really be down to luck in my cases. So it’s not about saying that AM partners don’t exist, but the PROPORTION is crucial. Some do get lucky. Luck is a factor. But making partner for AM should not be a rarity, it should be commonplace, if the USA was so fair.

The other instance would be the Asian male from Asia who is a partner because he can bring business from Asia that white people can’t, which is another advantage that ABCs generally don’t have. But the fact of the matter is, as you said, the average hardworking Asian-American male is still at a significant disadvantage as a whole, and that’s what is extremely alarming yet being completely ignored by the public.

I’m generally not sure how Asian-Americans can build up any sort of our own “network” in American firms though. I see a lot more Asian immigrants, especially from China, who are starting their own networks at American firms (like all the Chinese use their own Wechat groups at firms that they exclude whites from), but often I see ABCs excluded from these groups too, which is why I wrote my original article to highlight this conundrum. However, I start to see some ABCs gradually become accepted into these circles, which is a good starting point, as Asians as a whole are becoming more aware of the need to bond racially to fight white supremacy. That is why I’ve always vouched for AMs to start doing projects related to their Asian roots so that gives them a network and confidence that whites don’t have, which will also help them provide more value to firms that want to expand in Asia and give them bargaining power down the line.

I’m generally less optimistic about Asian-American males in America just forming their own interest circle independent of Asia, because, quite frankly, it’s very hard to do that if you don’t have any economic interests (like a powerful home country, powerful home market, etc…) to back you up. I don’t think it will work at all to try to encourage AMs to be “more white” and “network better”, because by definition, the whites are just moving the goalposts so that no matter what the AMs do, they will never really succeed (keep in mind the white people control the rules of the game, so if they see us making progress they will just change the rules of the game). There are also too many toxic people like Asian females who will purposely screw Asian males up to win brownie points with white males. And there’s blacks and latinos who want more of the pie to themselves. It’s really an unwinnable game, and even those AMs who make partner in a few rare instances are probably “second-class partners” compared to most white partners at the same skill level. Many are made partners because the firm needed to build an image of “inclusiveness” but are limited to like 1% of all AM professionals, and are far too small in percentage to be fair to all Asian males at the same level or ability.

That’s why I 100% believe the way for AMs in America is to find enclaves and work for Asian companies, Asian bosses, and be around Asian coworkers. That’s really the best way. You can find a lot of that in the West Coast. And also consider rediscovering your roots in Asia and gaining confidence from that. I don’t see how you can win against the whites otherwise, because you are never gonna be better than the white person at being white. The game is set up so that it’s a race to see who can be “white” the best, which is in itself rigged to favor white people. It’s very simple. Imagine if the rules were reversed, and that we had white people competing to be the most “Asian”. Obviously, a natural Asian would have a natural, unassailable advantage in this. It’s not a matter of being smart of hard work, the truth is that the goalposts will always be changed by whites to restrict Asians from obtaining power and money in a meaningful way in America. Even if you up your “networking skills” you will still realize that a huge proportion of white clients, customers, suppliers, investors, etc… will avoid you just because you are not part of that white “in-group”. It’s really the way America was designed to run – have all the immigrants come make this country better but whites gets to benefit from that glory, and give immigrants just enough so that they don’t starve or make trouble, but nothing more.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

My overall point here, is that why should these Asian-American kids work so hard (much harder than the average American teen) in return for getting only the “scraps” of white society when they become adults? Not saying medal doesn’t help get into college or whatever, but even if you get into Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Harvard, MIT, etc… most Asian-Americans are still fighting for the scraps of white society – you aren’t considered for corporate roles, corporate management, financial management, legal partners, etc… I see this every day as a fact, it’s not my made-up belief.

As you said, the only way is to start your own business, but realistically, you can only start your own restaurants, clinics, bars, but that’s not the American dream for most. You don’t need an Ivy degree to do that. You don’t need math or chemistry medals to do that. I suppose most Asian-Americans are fighting for ivy degrees to do something more than start restaurants. These kids are working so hard under the delusion that the medal will be helpful or propel them to the top of society, but that’s simply NOT true. If someone told me earlier that I would be shut out of so many parts of corporate America just because of my skin color I would never have worked my ass of for grades or a good university. It’s just too much work for too little rewards. A-As shouldn’t have to be content with the scraps of white society.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

LOL China town and opening restaurants is not my dream. Sorry, it never was, I never had a choice to come here, and if I did, I would have preferred to stay in China and be a normal Chinese, the right way, and come to USA, should I want to, on my own terms. But not at the expense of sacrificing my own heritage.

” You don’t have an industry yet where you can thrive in, so like I said, start a company and create one.”

~You say this like it’s simple. How? How do you do this, when by your own admission, “the goal posts will always be moved by the ones who control the game.” I want to start a Venture Capital firm, – who’s going to bank me? White people? Like you said, they’re always moving the goal posts. Starting a business involves being part of a society – no man can start a business as a lone island. It takes relationships. That’s what A-As have been deprived of. Starting a simple business can involve so many complicated relationships with white people, most of whom will choose NOT to help you. What business are you referring to? A restaurant? A bowling alley? A clinic? That’s it? That’s the American dream? Boy, I’m going to go back to Asia now. I don’t need this fake “Dream”. I want to start something bigger.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

So who’s side are you on?

Math gold medal is useless. No one I know doing finance / law / politics has this, or needs it. Having one automatically puts you in the role of “techie” or “quant” or “scientist” which again is the antithesis of leadership and power.

Michio Kaku is an outlier – he’s also Japanese-American, not Chinese-American. Japanese / Korean / Chinese etc… all have different agendas and there’s no harmony / help between these groups. He’s good at what he does, but I don’t even want to do what he does, so there’s no point of comparison. I’d rather be an average Asian having grown up in my own country than some white-washed Asian-American who has to marry a white person to have career opportunities. That’s pathetic.

Sure I’m not the only one wanting to start my own company. But this takes significant amount of timing and luck. Try getting white-dominated VCs to invest in your idea. Try it. Tell me how it goes. Don’t just find one example of some Asian start-up that got started, look at the odds. It’s very, very difficult. No matter what you do, the odds are stacked heavily against you because of your race. And that’s exactly how white, racist America likes it.

So what are you saying? Can’t figure your stance out? You seem to suggest that white America is racist and harming A-As, then you at the same time suggest that it’s somehow Asians’ fault that we’re being discriminated against? Care to clarify?

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

Way too small of a sample to rely on. Should be seeing WAYY more Asian-Americans in high up positions if USA was fair.

Yang was ousted from Yahoo’s board. Jeez I wonder why.

Michio Kaku is good, but can everyone be a futurist? I think not.

I don’t like the fact that the odds of Asian-Americans succeeding at the middle or higher management positions is astronomically tiny. You can always find outliers but so what? I see tons of average white losers in upper level management, can’t say the same for Asians.

These 4 outlier are far too little for Asian-Americans, given how hard AAs work. Plus, none of them have much social power – the power where you can sit back and put your legs up in your corner office desk and tell that white/caucasian analyst to get the work done while you golf with your Asian friends. That’s the power we need!

U.S. team makes history at international chemistry competition, scoring 4 golds. What a representation…

That’s not true, whites will change the laws to restrict Asian immigration to America. Don’t believe me, come back in 10 years and see.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

Show me some Asian-American nerds who have power positions in finance, law, tech, or politics in America.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

These brilliant kids have no idea what awaits them in the real world when they hit the job market. Math gold medal means nothing.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

None of the 5/6 Asians in the photo have put even a tiny bit of though behind their image and how they will be treated once they hit the real world.

U.S. math team finishes 4th behind Korea, China, Vietnam

Wow this is pathetic. 5 out of 6 of the IMO team are of Asian-descent, and the US takes credit. But I guarantee you these 5 Asian-Americans aren’t gonna find it that easy to crack the bamboo ceiling once you hit the workplace. When it comes the money, whites make sure the $ and power flow in their own circles. Scum.

Law schools are filled with Asian Americans. So why aren’t there more Asian judges?

But you’re totally right, the mainlander’s biggest mistake is they don’t see what white people think about Asians. They think if we just increase our numbers in America we will be the same as Jews. That’s just wrong. Whites control the law and the courts, they will pass laws to restrict Asian immigration to America if they deem it a threat. They can change the rules of the game anytime and there’s nothing Asian-Americans can do about it. And whites know this too. They know interracial conflicts are all a power-game.

Law schools are filled with Asian Americans. So why aren’t there more Asian judges?

The pressure to learn perfect Chinese (or any language), without a proper environment, is enormous. No one in the world can do it, I dare say. You can be with a bunch of Chinese people as an ABC and one simple grammar mistake and you are exposed, and they start viewing you as an outsider. Reverse racism.

Law schools are filled with Asian Americans. So why aren’t there more Asian judges?

“Not too much to ask for a Chinese, Western or otherwise, to learn their own language.”

No you’re completely wrong. It’s a BIG ask. No one can learn the native language w/o growing up in the country / environment itself. You can NEVER learn a language like a fully native level after you’re teenage years. But the standard for Asian-Americans who want to do business in China, is that their Chinese has to be NEAR PERFECT. Anything less is a shame. It’s a double standard. You’re just avoiding the issue altogether.

Law schools are filled with Asian Americans. So why aren’t there more Asian judges?

“you are not at least billingual then its your own shortcomings”

No one can learn a language to full native fluency without environment. Most ABCs did not have the environment to learn Chinese because it was taken away by their parents. Their parents are the real 罪魁祸首 here. For ABCs, their Chinese needs to be PERFECT in order to be accepted by Chinese, which is an impossible standard.

Why don’t you read this article so you can be better informed and stop saying silly things? http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4a2cefc10102vfza.html

“举个最最简单的例子,中国人讲英语,因为是外语,有点语法和修辞上的错误,被别人指出的时候,不会觉得是被别人所拒绝。
在中国的老外,说一口带口音的中文,周围的人是赞赏和鼓励。但如果是一个ABC,说完全一摸一样的带口音的中文,周围的人的反应,完全相反。这就叫做reverse racism。”

Law schools are filled with Asian Americans. So why aren’t there more Asian judges?

Dude, how is an Asian-American lawyer have a loyal network of white clients? Most of these clients are upper-level white corporate executives who are probably racist as fuck. No matter how hard you work it’s gonna be near impossible to establish white clients and threaten your firm to make you a partner or leave. Most lawyers who are Asian-American have to build Asian clients, but then again, you gotta speak the language.

Point is, there’s no way you can play a white man’s game better than a white man, cause the rules are designed in a white man’s favor.

Typical racist Western expat in Asia

Don’t worry, once we have facial recognition software I’m sure we can track this racist fucker down and teach him a nice lesson.

Thoughts on the “Asians are racist” accusation.

Asians are racist. So what? Everyone plays identity politics. What’s wrong with it? The only way to fight racism is by identity politics.

Alibaba and Shopify?

I know that, but Alibaba wants to expand and enable SMBs across the globe – my point is couldn’t SHOP at some point add a link to allow their SMB’s products to connect directly to one of Alibaba’s platforms for greater global reach?

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Indians have zero disadvantages. They take all the Asian women, get promoted to C-suites and lead both silicon valley and plenty of Indian bosses on wall street managing millions. Save it. Don’t care about Indians. Indians never cared about East Asians either.

Foreign footballer in China slammed on twitter for making racist gesture

That’s probably what will happen. China doesn’t realize that white people are raping China’s image and China thinks white people are actually on our side. Or it could be that those greedy businessmen put own profits ahead of Chinese dignity (which harms everyone, actually), but many of these businessmen have no overseas experience and just bitch about the CCP all the time.

Hate to say it, but the current state of China is a big international joke to any foreigner who is not Chinese.

This Guy Figured Out One Weird Trick To Get You Girls

I totally agree with the author, peppaPigwilleatyou.

Too much of the conversation here is really about getting girls. But once you get the girl, the Asian identity issue doesn’t just disappear. It is still a major obstacle to getting promotion at work, starting your own business, being an entrepreneur, and building your career network. That was the ultimate premise of my original articles on Wenxuecheng. Asian identity issues and white racial discrimination don’t just stop at dating, they permeate heavily into work too, affecting how much money you make, your career development, etc… perhaps in even more BLATANT and insidious ways than dating. In fact, the two issues are intertwined. Perhaps girls avoid Asian men because they know Asian men are also disadvantaged at the workplace, and make less money. Chicken and egg problem. We need to address these topics NOW, otherwise everyone suffers.

I think there needs to be more conversation and discussion here on dealing with these issues, in particular, career development, rather than focusing on dating almost exclusively. Not to say dating isn’t important, but it’s only one piece of a bigger issue.

Asians in the West are not an accurate representation of Asian people or Asian culture

They might be well off, but their 2nd gen kids are almost universally worse off in terms of emotional development, and increasingly so, career development.

Asians in the West are not an accurate representation of Asian people or Asian culture

As you correctly pointed out, I think it’s specifically true that dominant, alpha level Chinese males do NOT “immigrate” to the USA because they are aware, from a natural, intuitive level, that white society will restrict them. So most of the 1st gen parents (males) that I know in the USA are the beta-level, docile male types, and the females are usually the most obsessed with false thoughts about western culture. Many females actively look down on other Chinese people. It’s disgusting, it needs to be called out, and it needs to stop.

I have this sense that whether someone is “awake” or not is not teachable, a person usually gets its from the outset or doesn’t get it at all. You can’t teach it. It’s a personality thing. Some people are genuinely more happy being raped by white people than living with dignity amongst other Asians in Asia.

Asians in the West are not an accurate representation of Asian people or Asian culture

HenLiHai, great post – you should post this (copy & paste) on Wenxuecheng. Shatter more false dreams and give those loser 1st gen a reality check.

Just something I observed about AAs as a FOB.

用你自己的背景和地位来帮助华裔提高其社会地位呀,干嘛非要含沙射影侮辱ABC,拿别人的处境找乐趣呀?

Basically, I’m saying: “use your connection to China to help increase ABCs status overseas, why are you just saying this and doing nothing? You are using ABC’s dilemma to make yourself feel better”?

Discussion: what should be the end goal for Asians living in the West?

“integrate and contribute to the end of racism”.

Not possible given current state of affairs. White control the courts, politics, and money. You can’t fight this fight without getting the might of China behind you.

Also, more dignity if you know your own language too. I hate seeing Asian faces speaking perfect English and not knowing their own language. It feels weird actually. Why should we speak English?

Finally not a WMAF in a tech commercial, AMAF used in apple ad

No it’s aired in the USA too, I saw it at a bar couple days ago. It aired during the NBA playoffs 🙂 I was really, really surprised. But really good development.

Asian Americans are no different than Chinese rural migrant workers

@Abc1986 your views have really changed quite a lot since we first started chatting lol

Here’s a tip: next time, speak up and put people down. Just do it.

yeah but you’re still not gonna bet successful and rich.

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I find it funny that the older generation who complain about us complaining about racism in America. They think complaining is a sign of weakness. But why are they complaining about China then? Why did they come to the USA to get away from China, rather than facing their problems? Isn’t that also the same show of weakness? I think many of these older gen. people who complain about their own country, China, should be added to the blacklist and prevented from stepping foot ever in China again. China has a lot of people. It doesn’t need any more ungrateful Chinese immigrants who aren’t proud of being Chinese and would rather suck white cock.

The parents who aren’t grateful to be Chinese should be exiled from China permanently. But don’t punish the second gen, many of us did nothing wrong and we love our heritage. So fucked up. Seriously. The first gen fucking up the situation for their own benefit and not admitting it. That’s what’s happening.

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“As brown-skinned people, they often get confused with Middle Easterners/Muslims, who Westerners are more sensitive against than anyone else.”

That’s true, but TBH, the middle easterners from many countries have it better socially than Asian-Americans. I admit it’s probably worst for Muslims right now, but if you look at middle eastern people, they at least look pretty western and can blend in. For example, look at the boston bomber. Despite associated with radical islam, he could still blend in socially far better than an Asian-American could – look at some of his party pictures before he got arrested.

I agree India has its own challenges, but this convo is about status of Indias in America, not Indians in India. That’s a totally different question. If China was completely bad and uninhabitable, then the case for tolerating racism in America even while you’re say Chinese-American is much stronger. But given the way China has developed in the past 2 decades, that’s completely NOT the case. People in China, even lower tier cities, the young generation (our age) are much better off on average, even if average wages are lower. From an emotional POV, they are doing better. And they have the choice of coming to the USa if they want to. And benefit from the native circles even if they come. It’s not only about material wealth. Plus, for most A-As in the USA, they don’t make so much money that it compensates for all the racism and isolation, IMHO

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“However, I wouldn’t say it’s impossible to change the attitude of Asian Americans. That is part of what this sub is all about.”

I agree, but that doesn’t happen from discussing these topics again and again WITHIN the sub. We need more people to communicate in Asian native language with the native circles to change this.

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@asianblazin. Good question. Let me explain my views here:

  1. The South Asians, most are Indians here, don’t count for “east Asian” success. Two main reasons for that. One, Indians tend to have very similar facial appearance to westerners, just darker skin. As I mentioned before several times, I believe the racism against East Asians is fundamentally due to the way we look, our facial characteristics, as a WHOLE (there are always exceptions), are too different from westerners and don’t fit into their mold of “leadership” appearance.

Two, India tends to be a US ally, and I’ve noticed that helps. When you’re Chinese American, when you are with whites, if you make any mention of yourself supporting China you’re labeled not only an Asian / outsider, but also a commie. That’s an extra layer of discrimination. Russians tend to have that as well, that’s why very few Russian-Americans in America that I know of who do well, but a Russia 2nd generation looks Caucasian so they don’t have that same problem of blending in for the Russian-American 2nd gen and afterwards.

  1. The East Asians you listed are all focused on tech or science. Two points here. 1) Does that mean tech is the only sector A-As should be in to have a chance at success? What about non-tech sectors? What if I’m not into coding or science? Any notable A-As (east Asians) in finance, politics, entertainment, law, think-tanks, real estate, etc…? and 2) How many of these people, even if they are successful in tech, really are “alpha male” amongst their white peers? I’ve seen Steve Chu speak many times, the guy’s a genius, but he doesn’t appear to have any influence / clout amongst white peers. He still takes more of a passive approach. Jerry Yang got kicked out of Yahoo’s board. And Jerry’s major deals as CEO of Yahoo was still related to his Asian roots, such as forging a relationship with Jack Ma and getting YHOO to invest in BABA. Gary Locke was also an Asian politician but spent many days explaining to people in China how he was an America, when they viewed him to be Chinese. None of these people exude that calm, focused, dominance that white leaders usually exude. Even if they are in “positions” of success, it’s not the same as acctually being a part of the majority.

Why was Jerry Yang kicked off of Yahoo’s board, and now he’s part of Alibaba’s board? Could it be that East Asians have more clout with other East Asians? I don’t know. You tell me. From my intuition and experience, I think highly likely.

3) Almost none of the East Asians you listed there EVER speak out for Asian-American causes. They are either deeply ingrained in white circles (for example, Steve Chu’s wife is a white woman), or would rather spend their time dealing with business in Asia. But none of them care to speak up about Asian-American affairs or improve Asian-American standing in America. I think this point is crucial. That means any isolated success of Asian-Americans is NOT sustainable and doesn’t percolate to other A-As. Unlike Indians, whites, and jews who tend to watch out for each other. Does Reddit, Yahoo, Youtube, Disqus, Kickstarter have preferential hiring policies for Asian-Americans, even if not on the surface? Do Asian-Americans get any benefit from having A-A leaders in these companies? I haven’t seen any (correct me if there is evidence to the contrary). Do these successful A-A leaders back other start-ups by Asian-Americans to help make the whole community successful?

My overall point is that any East-Asian success in America is highly concentrated in 1) tech, and 2) successful people do NOT stand out and help other A-As, so it’s not sustainable.

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“Lol As a mainlander, actually we keep tract on asian’s mentality in North America. We are woke.”

It’s not about mainlanders v. ABCs. see, that’s the weakness in the way Chinese people think – always have to 窝里斗 and fight amongst themselves. By classifiying youself as mainlander, you are discriminating against the ABCs why you speak, when mainlanders and ABCs should be uniting. It’s frustrating that chinese people’s first reaction when they see other Chinese is to find ways to discrimination, and 磕头 to white dogs.

It’s not about mainlander v. ABCs. It’s about the Chinese and Asians uniting against the whites. 你什么时候才能懂?

Chinese people on Zhihu (Chinese quora) discuss /u/ArmorUSA article on “The treatment of ABC males in America and the myth of American Dream”. 621674 views and top answers are WOKE! Also notice the link to aznidentity.

but if we improve ourselves, learn to protect our own rights, we can also occupy aa good position in US society. I wish the new generation can more confidently say to their parents: thank you parents, your immigration provide me an opportunity in different angles to approach this world. 🙂

OK, so what is 刘翔熙 actually trying to say? He’s just one person. Did you read ALL the comments on Zhihu? Look at the ones who continue to insult me and say that it’s not a big deal, ABCs are just complaining. All written by Chinese people firmly comfortable in their own cultural circle and having to deal with none of this. It’s just like me saying that “rape victims are just complainers who need to pull out of it” while never having been raped myself.

That’s why I continue to feel very frustrated – most of these Chinese posters say these very “general” statements like “just protect your own interests, establish your own leadership” blah blah blah without ANY CONCRETE SUGGESTIONS ON HOW YOU WOULD POSSIBLY DO ANY OF THIS IN A WHITE DOMINATED SOCIETY! Quite possibly, he CAN’T EVEN DO IT HIMSELF IF HE WERE PLACED IN THE SAME SITUATION! Sorry for all caps here, but I need to make it clear – if these people are going to provide us advice, then provide something that’s actually ACTIONABLE, rather than some cheap proverb that isn’t even possible to ACHIEVE in real life.

So how is any ABC going to be able to just “improve themselves” while they are in a CULTURAL VACUUM? HOW? Someone please tell me? Let’s assume, if an ABC asserts himself in the workplace, just by himself, what’s going to happen? You think white people care? If I asserted myself right now, would all the Asians in my surroundings speak up? If I go out and make a speech against racism against white people, who is actually going to be stick up for me in my local surroundings? You think the other Asians, including people like 刘翔熙 , will speak up? Or will they just hide and “not want to make trouble?”

The problem I have with a lot of these replies by the 1st gen as well as ABCs on this site is that it’s all TALK! I’ve said many times, if you want to change things, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! But most people just talk talk talk and nothing ever happens. It is fair to expect a few people to LEAD the CHARGE and everyone else trying to freeride?

Jeremy Lin – Breaking Stereotypes and de-masculinisation – YouTube

You gotta have respect for both Jeremy and Kevin in this video. People don’t know how hard it is to be in Jeremy’s position, TBH. As I said x times before, basically as an Asian-American, you’re all alone in a place like the NBA. 99% of players have some sort of social support, blacks, whites, heck, even Yao Ming and Yi Jianlian have the support of China and the comfort of “going back to their home countries and be basically kings”, so that helps them tolerate any racism in the NBA while in the USA. Look at how well Yao is doing in Shanghai now. Jeremy has been doing great work in both China and Taiwan, but know how fucken hard it is to do this as an Asian-American when you don’t have the full support of your home country and lack social network in America.

The social safety net really makes a HUGE psychological different and increases your racism tolerance tremendously. Don’t underestimate this. That’s why all these 1st gens can take this shit while they are in the USA, b/c they know they can go back any time. Having an option and not using it, and not having an option at all, are two different things.

Jeremy Lin – Breaking Stereotypes and de-masculinisation – YouTube

“Take and do what you want. Dominate. Be sexual and fuck more women.”

Doesn’t work like that. If you try to dominate your firm and the boardroom you get fired. If you try to fuck more women who don’t want you you get arrested for rape. Easier said than done.

Best bet is to go back to Asia. America is a shithole for Asians.

Jeremy Lin – Breaking Stereotypes and de-masculinisation – YouTube

Things will NOT change BECAUSE every Asian thinks that “oh its okay,” “things are changing”, and “other people will make the change”. Most Asian guys I know are actually waiting for someone else to take the bullets for them, but to get the benefits. The result is nothing changes because everyone has the same mentality. If you want change go out and speak up. It’s the only way.

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Which firms (finance) do you know that have a lot of mainland Chinese guys? Do they hire ABCs or again, are ABCs excluded from the group?

Need help with career advice in Finance

MeiJiHuaRen, the FUNDAMENTAL reason that many 1st gen Asians make it into management is due to their familiarity with their natural market and network, Asia, that whites simply don’t have. The is the source of their confidence. Asian-Americans were deprived of that natural network and advantage by their short-sighted 1st gen parents. If you look at most 1st gen. Asians in management in finance, they are responsible for business in their home Asian countries. It’s really an undeniable trend.

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I get your point. What about for the non-Quant finance stuff like Private Equity, Fundamental Investing, Value investing, or VC? it sounds like from what you are saying is to still go down that “skill” route by being better at quant or technical related stuff. But doesn’t that play right back into the Asian stereotype of “nerdy” and “good at technicals”? So the only way for Asians to really succeed here is to be good at “technicals”? But what about Asians in less “quant” or “skill” based areas like fundamental equities or venture capital? Sounds like the real issue is that we’re being cut off from all non-technical related industries, and we’re compensating for that being improving our technical skills. But that doesn’t address the core of the problem, does it?

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“Look at tech and Silicon Valley, Asians are getting close to dominating that” ~ by Asians, do you mean Indians? Or are you seeing East Asians dominating that? I think Indians are very different from East Asians – the former has made inroads in nearly all of corporate America, but the latter have not. Why do you think that is?

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Yeah but the ultimate decision comes down to the whites, who are in charge of the money and manage, if not all, financial institutions. So what happens if they stop hiring Asians after they already have a few? What happens if Asian-Americans who do well aren’t promoted? What happens if whites see the trend and purposely restrict the rise of Asian-Americans in this sector? What can you do? What resources do A-As have to fight against this possibility? They are in control of the game. An A-A who wants to hire other A-As on his team could also face limitations, restrictions, or backlash from his white superiors, who overrule his decision and hire more whites instead. So what’s your proposal for a more coordinated advance into finance for A-As in the USA, given that money, resources, decisions, and power are pretty much all controlled by whites?

Speaking from your example, it seems like you are doing pretty good at your company where you work. Can you hire several more Asians if you want to? Or would you face significant backlash from your white colleagues should you wish to start developing your “power base”?

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“You can do the same exact thing as a white guy but it will get a different reaction based on your race.”

That’s pretty much it right there. An Asian-American who works his ass off say at a law firm, would be labeled as “nerd” with no social skills. A white guy who does the EXACT same thing would be seen as a “hard worker” and a “trooper”, capable of “rolling up his sleeves” and getting the work done, a deal-maker, an executor. That’s where the racism comes in. It’s no impossible to overcome, but it’s goddamn awfully hard to overcome.

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HenLiHai, that’s exactly right. We need to get to the point where A-As are backing each other’s start-ups and businesses and really just playing the Asian race card to our advantage. Forget about playing fair with whites and not thinking about race. In America, if you come with the mindset that “there is no racism” and “everyone plays fair”, you lose. Because white people don’t play fair, I guarantee it. A lack of playing the race card aggressively is EXACTLY why the A-A group is fundamentally weak in America and very likely to be taken advantage of by others. We need rich A-As backing other A-As, hiring other A-As to the disadvantage of other races, to make this playing field even FAIR (b/c it is currently NOT fair to A-As in any way).

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MeiJiHuaRen, can I ask you, while some Asians in America can find a job in finance and be happy with it, this doesn’t sound like it’s sustainable for Asian-Americans as a race, if you know what I mean. I know some Asians-Americans who have jobs in finance and seem to be doing well for themselves, but it’s largely a factor of luck and timing that’s not replicable amongst others. And many don’t actively hire more Asians to work with them, so the result is A-As will always still be the minority, granted a minority who does work well, but you will never see more and more Asian-Americans playing the race card to their advantage, which I think is what we need to do more and more, even in America. What I hope to see if more A-As in finance hiring more A-As, which leads to a tighter bonding among A-As in the industry that leads to it being easier for Asian-Americans to not only get a job in finance, but to start their own investment funds or consulting firms, backed by other Asian-Americans or Asians. You mentioned that many of your white colleagues aren’t racist to you on the surface, but I believe a lot of the racism comes when you try to “push the boundaries.” For example, if you do your work, no one might say racist stuff to you, but if you start asking your white colleagues for money because you are raising your own fund, you very well could find them to be very racist and prefer not to fund you over a white fund manager. I’ve seen many of this. If you want more than a job in America, if you want to be a manager, entrepreneur, etc… that’s where the real racism comes out. Asians aren’t allowed to be anything more than worker bees in this country, especially in industries like finance, politics, legal, and media. What do you think about this?

That means A-As should hire other A-As preferably (w/o stating it out loud obviously), just like how Indians and Jews always watch out for each other. Otherwise, the success of a few scattered A-As in finance doesn’t spread out to the industry at large, and the entire ethnic group still suffers. I’ve seen many A-As who might be doing well for themselves, actively start distancing themselves from other A-As and bragging that they are the “best A-A in the group” but still not aware that they are getting played by white people. Asian-Americans really need to stop competing with each other and start cooperating strategically. Do you think this can be done given the current state, or will there be major backlash from the whites? I bet if you start hiring Asians to fill your team the white colleagues are going to be plotting something. Just because they aren’t openly racist doesn’t mean they are racist when Asians start grabbing power. What do you think?

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Thanks for your post. From my experience, you should really find a way to work in Asia or an office with lots of Asians. Don’t place yourself in a frat environment where you’re the only Asian and everyone else is white, especially those arrogant fuck types like the ones you met in your interview. Don’t even bother. You’re not going to learn much and you’re not going to enjoy the experience at all, trust me. You will not be doing your best work because the environment is affecting you. Promotion will be non-existent or limited and you will have to work harder than anyone else but get less. It is not good for your mental health. I strongly advise you to at least pick an office where there are tons of Asians or that you are involved with Asian business matters that whites know nothing about. That’s the smarter way to play it.

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Easy to say but how?

Need help with career advice in Finance

You will NEVER be in a position of power as an Asian working with a bunch of frat white boys. You will never have that chance. Best bet is to either fuck the company you’re interviewing for or move to Asia office laterally.

Here’s an idea for activism – let me know what you all think!

I’ll be willing to donate some money for this. Just need everyone to put in a small amount. But people have to put action behind anything to make anything happen.

Moving past the “model minority” label

Yeah, what you mention is correct, but the key issue is EVEN if an Asian were to act rebellious and aggressive, he would just get ignored or pushed back. White people don’t accept an Asian acting rebellious, so if you did it, chances are they would just ignore you, or push back against you. It’s useless of one person or just a few do it. Because the MAJORITY of Asians are still very obedient, a few people acting counter to the trend isn’t going to do anything. We need to find ways to train the NEXT GENERATION of Asians to act like this, that’s how you change the tide.

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

LuciensinParis nothing more than a total fake profile. He’s either a white troll who learned some Chinese, or a real dumbass Chinese immigrant who came during his teens because he was attracted to the fake American dream like a mosquito to a headlamp, and is desperately trying to justify it. No real ABC would speak to me about the importance of “filial piety” like that, unless he’s really brainwashed to that extent. It could be a fake parent profile, or if he is an ABC, an extremely brainwashed ABC who is a major liability to the movement.

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

LuciansinParis, Not going to waste my time with lapdogs like you. Go lick your white masters. Race Traitor.

It’s clear you don’t have the social skills to hang in China and probably chose for yourself to immigrate to America, where you were duped by the media saying America is so “equal” and “democratic” and a “melting pot”. You are now desperately trying to justify your incorrect decision and that’s why you get so annoyed by what we discuss –
because we tell the truth and that’s what you don’t want to hear – sorry bro, 忠言逆耳. You are also probably one of those who look down other Asians. China should blacklist you so you never, ever step foot back to China. We don’t want you. Racist traitor. But too bad you’ll learn that America whites don’t want you either.

Your logic is fucken retarded. You talk about all these “empty” values that Chinese people have to follow, but miss the bigger picture that white people don’t respect any of these values and blame China for everything and disrespect Chinese people globally. White people don’t respect any of these values and are richer off for it. I don’t care about stupid values, I care about making Asians across the world wealthier, enjoy higher status, and breaking from the rules of the game created by white people who don’t have our best interests at heart. You are supporting the white people who are trying to screw you. That’s how stupid you are.

What’s really happening is that you’re a coward who doesn’t want to “rock the boat”. You have no balls and are too scared to speak up, so you think it’s “safer” to keep the status-quo. I’m not insulting you, it’s the truth. You are a faceless coward who has no balls. So much for working out, buddy. Many of us don’t need to work out and we have more balls than you.

You miss the big picture that white people are actively trying to destroy the Chinese/Asian race in global societies through extensive manipulation of the media. Honestly, I’ve never met a white guy say anything good/positive about China, especially Chinese men. We will make no progress following your dumb “values”, rather we should be ruthless about exposing the game the white people are playing and don’t want us to expose. Your dumb Chinese values don’t mean jackshit when white people are taking over Asia and raping Chinese women and Chinese men just stand there doing nothing. 你是一个一叶障目的白痴,滚蛋吧。 You know NOTHING about how global politics works. Keep your head down and “working hard” doesn’t do jackshit. Donald Trump didn’t get to being a president by “keeping your head down and working hard”. Most of those white management level at C-suites in corporate America didn’t get their by “keeping their head down” and “working hard”, but rather working to a certain extent but also playing the race card as needed to get ahead (whether it’s whites, indians, jews, blacks, they all play the race card, they all 团结, except for stupid East Asians who actively try to avoid other East Asians). United we stand, divided we fall. Dumbass LucienParis.

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

Bro, based on your logic, you are basically saying:

  1. when a black man gets shot by the police for being black
  2. When a 69 year old man gets pulled off UA for being labeled “weak and docile” because he’s Asian
  3. When an Asian kid is ostracized and bullied at school
  4. when an Asian who is outgoing and capable gets passed by for promotions while his white counterparts do jackshit and get ahead
  5. when the US laws try to prevent / restrict Asians from getting into Ivies to save space for whites
  6. when a Muslim American is refused to enter the country despite the fact he has a US passport
  7. When a Latino American is harassed and told by colleagues to go back to Mexico…

And countless other situations, you are saying this is all the VICTIM’s FAULT? You are telling the victims that they just need to “improve themselves” and buff up more and these discriminatory actions will disappear? You’re a fucken lunatic, and incredibly ignorant about how this society (USA) and the world works. This is beyond pathetic. You’re nothing but a white sympathizer and you desperately want to blend in with them. Too bad you can’t. You’ll realize sooner or later.

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

Go lick your white masters, lapdog.

No, fucken idiot. the Problem is you, not anyone else supporting the movement. You sabotage the movement by saying “we just have to improve ourselves”. That doesn’t work. We are more than good enough. We don’t need to improve anything. We are totally capable of being CEOs and running this country’s business and government circles. It’s the racist institution that needs to change their ways, dimwit. I’ll let you off easy this time. Don’t come barking again, lapdog. Go lick your white racist masters.

Don’t post dumb stuff on this forum, son. Unless you want to get schooled.

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

Give me a break, keep barking. A dog can see reality better than you.

Please don’t link first gen parents to contemporary Chinese

Great post, fully agree. Thanks!

Many overseas Chinese on Wenxuecheng trying to DENY racism in the UA incident

More like 90%. But ok, point taken.

China’s rise and the United Airlines fiasco.

In 30 years, just wait, China will make America and white people beg on their knees. Both racist whites and Asians in America who want to suck up to whites are scum of the earth.

Many overseas Chinese on Wenxuecheng trying to DENY racism in the UA incident

Whether or not they deny is their biz, but they cannot force us to continue suffering in silence just so they can protect their face. That’s my point. If it didn’t affect anyone else, I would be ok if they didn’t deny it. But the point is, they are sacrificing our dignity and our interests to preserve theirs. That’s where the conflict is. They are basically asking the 2nd gen to STFU so the 1st gen can enjoy their lives. That’s what makes me livid.

Many overseas Chinese on Wenxuecheng trying to DENY racism in the UA incident

My parents are more awoke (it would be hard NOT to when they have a son like me!), and I am very appreciative of them for it. But I am talking about MOST of those parents on WXC – so fucken pathetic. Just can’t afford to admit that America could not be the fair heaven they thought it was.

Many overseas Chinese on Wenxuecheng trying to DENY racism in the UA incident

totally agree with this. I was referring just to the retarded as fuck parents on Wenxuecity – a group of 1st gen parents who hate China and think it’s better to be a white slave than to be a normal Chinese person.

Many overseas Chinese on Wenxuecheng trying to DENY racism in the UA incident

Bunch of brainwashed fucks these Chinese 1st gen parents.

People in China are woke after all: Blames United Airlines for Racism

The users on Wenxuecheng are trying to downplay signing a protest based on Discrimination against Asians. They truly believe that this had nothing to do with race, but rather is a human rights issue in general. http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2017/04/11/6163745.html

People in China are woke after all: Blames United Airlines for Racism

Love how people in China are more WOKE than the 1st generation losers on Wenxuecheng, who are trying to downplay the issue of race in this unfortunate incident and trying to argue that the doctor’s race played no issue in this incident.

Chinese people’s reaction to United Airlines abusing an Asian man on the plane

UAL depends on Asia routes a lot – this should hurt them a lot, and help competitors like Hainan, Delta, American Airlines, Cathay.

Chinese people’s reaction to United Airlines abusing an Asian man on the plane

Americans are liars. They manipulate the media, human rights etc… far more than China. They just hide it behind a veil of democracy and international aid. They aid the smaller countries (superficially) to try to suppress the larger countries like China or Russia.

Give United Airlines Hell. Contact info of United CEO, Oscar Munoz.

If it was an Asian airline that treated a white passenger like this, all the white fucks would be crying racism. Bunch of turds these white people are.

United CEO doubles down in email to employees, says passenger was ‘disruptive and belligerent’

White old male Oscar Munez and his Board of Directors can go fuck themselves. As usual, all the money goes to white old men, all the work done by people of color. Welcome to the true America that they don’t want you to see.

People in China are woke after all: Blames United Airlines for Racism

Yes. The way to play is to start discriminating against whites and make them beg to be more “Asian”.

This article is really rubbing me in a negative way. What do you guys think about this article? Here are my thoughts.

Shanghaiist if full of shit. Don’t pay attention to them. That website deserves to be shut down and its founders sent to prison.

Is separating myself from the “average asian male” self-racist or self-advocating? Where do I draw the line. Am I an asian “Uncle Tom?”

You’ve been taught to be colorblind, but that’s not how white americans think. They are very conscious of race and in most cases will always believe they are superior to Asians just because of their race. If you try to play “nice” with them you will always find yourself at the losing end of the stick. They can always be racist against you and get away with it, but you cannot fight back.

I don’t agree that Asians should hit the gym should they want to get respect in America. This only works for Asians who are into sports in the first place. What if you don’t like sports? What if you are into other things, such as writing, engineering, politics/debate? So what you are saying, is that the only way for A-As to get acceptance is to pursue the sports route, but my point is that’s exactly why it’s BS and unfair, because that’s not fair for A-As who aren’t into sports. Look at white people – there is room for whites who are into sports, and non-athletic whites, to succeed in America. Lots of nerdy whites get great jobs at firms and get promoted. But Asians, the only way to succeed is via the gym and building muscles? I don’t think that sounds very fair at all. If I don’t like sports, I shouldn’t be forced to do it just to “fit in”. “Fitting in” should be a god-given default for every human being born, and it’s a moral crime to take away a person’s right to belong in his natural environment.

This is one of the worst hanjians I’ve ever seen on reddit

worlds_best_nothing, you’re a fucken retard.

End of the schooling.

Let’s not waste time on cowards like this. Distraction to the race, and a race traitor.

Is separating myself from the “average asian male” self-racist or self-advocating? Where do I draw the line. Am I an asian “Uncle Tom?”

Personality is to a large degree genetic. You can put on an act for a short period of time but over long periods of time you will always revert to your “true nature”.

Appearance matters a lot. In anything. People get jobs because of appearance, careers are made on appearance, and people judge you on appearance. It’s a combination of appearance and personality, neither of which is completely under your control.

So good job for standing out amongst Asians. But don’t shit on other Asians because of that. The whole point of the movement is to increase the treatment level for the AVERAGE Asian. The issue is that the AVERAGE Asian is subject to too many stereotypes that work against them. Good for you if you are somehow an outlier, but the movement is designed to benefit the entire group as a whole.

Is separating myself from the “average asian male” self-racist or self-advocating? Where do I draw the line. Am I an asian “Uncle Tom?”

You might not like what I have to say about this, but it does appear like how your look can either help or hinder your ability to gain some acceptance by whites. Generally, Asians who have similar facial features to whites, thinner noses, sharper features tend to have less of an issue blending in, but Asians who look extremely “local Asian” (can’t find a better way to describe this) will find blending in almost impossible regardless of how they act (even if they act confidently, etc… they will be rejected). You have no control over how you look, but facial characteristics do matter, and people don’t give this enough credit or attention. That means, two Asians who look very different, doing the exactly same thing, saying the same thing, could have two very different results when it comes to adapting to white society.

Truth.

Online Warfare: Handling Ignorant Asians Who Go Against Asian Interest

What I don’t understand, is why would any Asian openly sabotage a movement that strives to INCREASE representation and power for Asians? I rarely see this type of internal fighting in other races. For example, for whites, even if some of them do something stupid, I don’t see other whites shitting on them. They tend to stick together and shit on other races instead. There are some internal fighting in the black community, there are some African-American “sellouts” to the whites who are ostricized by other blacks, but it really puzzles me why Asians would actively turn against their own race and side with a race that so blatantly discriminates against Asians in every way possible. Why would anyone sabotage a movement that is designed to help their interests? Don’t get how people’s brain works.

Another traitor to the A-A movement: LuciansinParis

There are some minor mistakes in his Chinese, but def much better than a “normal” ABCs. Not to say there aren’t ABCs will stellar Chinese, but that’s why I feel he is one of those who came in his teens or so, and who VOLUNTARILY came to the United States because he believed in the American dream. I could be off, though. But if he is, that’s why he’s so defensive and triggered about it. Many of these Chinese who came voluntarily to the US in their teens have mindsets exactly identical to those of the 1st gen parents, they can’t stand anyone telling them the US isn’t the heavenly palace they thought it was.

But on the positive side, every ABC should be strive to converse equally fluent in Chinese and English. Let’s not dumb our heritage.

Is separating myself from the “average asian male” self-racist or self-advocating? Where do I draw the line. Am I an asian “Uncle Tom?”

Interesting perspective, but you mentioned you are well “accepted by whites”. Do you still face a bamboo ceiling at work or career progression? Cause my definition of “accepted by whites” is if you get the C-suite or have promotion opportunities exactly like other whites and are NOT held to have lack of leadership skills SOLELY because of your race.

Another traitor to the A-A movement: LuciansinParis

I’m not sure what he is. Based on his previous posts, he seems to have grown up here, but knows Chinese. Yet his thinking and blind adherence to filial piety is what is sabotaging the entire A-A movement.

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

“Good god, you really think everything is made to revolve around you?”. Haha ~ no, of course not, things obviously don’t revolve around me. But the current state of affairs, things revolve around white people, even white losers who don’t work hard. That’s is WRONG. Things should also not revolve around white people. My goal is to work to make sure things start revolving around Asians. Unlike you, who tries to shoot your own people down. Race Traitor.

Online Warfare: Handling Ignorant Asians Who Go Against Asian Interest

Look at this traitor, called LuciansinParis. This is what he wrote in response to my article a while ago. Don’t know what he really is, ABC or non-ABC, but he’s that typical Asian who thinks racial discrimination against Asians isn’t an institutional phenomenon, but a product of our imaginations. He thinks the solution is to simply “work at the gym” and rise above it all. Beware of traitors like this who sabotage our cause. Many of them could be 1st gen parents in disguise who desperately need to justify why we came here. They can’t tolerate the truth coming out turning their world upside down.


Dance monkey, dance
Consider this emotional response I got, I must have hit some points that are sensitive you didn’t want to face. Face it and stop blaming your parents on the internet
Also that’s a pretty racist post man. There are also so many assumptions made about me, my friends, and my relationship with other Asian/white people. Every other sentence is either race or blame. Good god, you really think everything is made to revolve around you? The world is at fault and not you?
Keep running away from a problem instead of fixing it. See how far that takes you
你根本就没读懂/没去读我的帖子。我读原文时就怀疑你是那种会让自己的逻辑被情绪所模糊的人。你的回复让我确认了这一点。
我没有说过这世界是公平的。我也没去怀疑这些问题的存在性。令我不屑的是你面对问题的方式。最主要是两点:
百行孝为先。你一口一个“我是中国人”,却把我们老祖宗的教导忘得一干二净。你在外面这样说你的父母就是不孝,这点你无法否认。
万事要去面对。你可以选择逃避,但请不要让后代的孩子们都去逃避。你这是在教他们什么?我们中国人不行?美国这个移民国家能容得下千百个民族/种族,唯独我们中国人不行?不要以为你爬不过的山最高,你游不过的水最快。

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

你懂个屁,小子。美国就是种族相争的天下,你自己天真没看清楚真相你还头头是道在这上面教育我们?歇菜吧,你没什么资格去毫无根据地忽视,否认众多 ABC 的痛苦和体验。自己想去健身房就去呗,没人拦你,但是也不代表你锻炼身体有点小肌肉突然白人就会对你另眼相看了。你很 naive.

父母就不能说了?他们犯的这么明显的错误,现在还横行霸道地不承认,不去面对,我不能说他们?凭什么不能说他们?不去说他们这个问题能得以解决?就像你这种软豆腐天天点头哈腰孝顺父母在美国管用吗?牺牲了自己和同胞的利益为了孝顺一个不讲道理的父母?什么逻辑呀。不敢挑战,不敢颠覆,不敢面对现实,不敢辩论,中国人也不应该要你这种白眼儿狼。

你根本不代表这边ABC 的立场,你是个种族汉奸,瞧不起自己的文化,缺乏自信的侏儒。我凭什么天天浪费我的宝贵时间去健身房?谁有呢么傻逼和无奈?凭什么什么事情都是华裔事倍功半,白人事半功倍,然后华人吃了亏还不能说出来?白人歧视华人的痕迹随处可见,你眼睛真的呢么瞎吗?你还需要什么证据? 你自己不想承认现实,觉得美国就是多么公平的天堂,你能证明确实如此吗?为啥虽然华裔有多么努力,但是涉及美国核心利益的种种领域的中高层都突然不见华人的踪影? 为啥? 自己长个脑子想想这些问题,再来网上信口雌黄。

你的策略从来不会起效的。中国人在美国就会埋头苦干,低三下四,在美国不想惹事儿,不敢抗议,不敢游行,不敢捍卫自己的权益。美国都是欺软怕硬,你越温顺他们越不 respect 你。最后结构必将华人的蛋糕越来越小。你希望这样吗?在你喷沫之前你给我拿出来佐证你的观点的证据咱们再说呀。Can you bring me any evidence that Asians are getting what they truly deserve for their level of hard work and education in America? You can’t, loser. You are nothing but an imposter trying to justify your own personal, incorrect, move to America because 你在国内混不下去。So don’t waste people’s time on here, 没有有时间听你的垃圾。

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

See how far thinking racism doesn’t exist in America and working out at the gym is going to take you. Whites will stab you in the back the first chance they get. Stupid little Asian pacifists like you have no confidence in his own ethnicity trying to justify the America dream.

I’ve seen many losers like you, who would rather bow down to white masters than live as first class humans in china.

Cunts like you try to destroy our cause. I can see right through that. Keep licking your white masters, cowardly shill.

People like you in real life, I have no issue saying fuck off to in person. Feel sorry for you that you have to sabotage your own race to feel accepted. I’m sure most people here would agree. Your opinion is not grounded in reality, has no weight bro. You’re nothing but a coward who can’t admit that America isn’t what you or your parents expected it to be.

I feel sorry for you that you have to work 3x as hard to get 0.5x the results of white losers. Enjoy being stepped on bro.

Is it a good idea to put “yourself” out in the internet? And TheAsianLoverShow

You said it better than I could.

Is it a good idea to put “yourself” out in the internet? And TheAsianLoverShow

Because Asians miss the forest for the trees. Every other race plays the race game, except Asians. White people try to use media to manipulate reality to make sure this is so.

Asian doctor gets beaten up because United Airlines got overbooked. Holy shit!

How come that hypocrisy movement Black Lives Matter isn’t saying anything about this? Geez, black guards abusing peaceful Asian doctor. Geez, how come black lives matters don’t comment on this?

Foreign passport holders with Chinese faces, American-born Chinese struggle to find their footing in China

“If you are an American citizen, this wealth belongs as much to you as it does to any White, Black, and Brown person.” ~ in theory, that’s true, but in reality, it doesn’t work that way. While I agree with the spirit of what you wrote, A-As have no money and no hard power to assert themselves when necessary to fight for a spot in America’s negotiating table. Doesn’t matter if you pay taxes or not or are an American citizen or not.

Some facts about China when you find a job there

No one can learn a language to native fluency without right environment. If you are asking ABCs who have never lived in China to learn it as perfect as Chinese locals, it’s impossible. Try asking Chinese locals to learn English as perfectly as native Americans. Without the environmental immersion, it’s impossible. That’s the unfortunate part with ABCs/CBCs, society expects their Chinese skills to be PERFECT in order to gain acceptance. It’s total Bullshit and completely unfair to them. It’s impossible to learn the language as well as locals if you don’t live in that environment.

What you are saying is easy to say, but almost impossible to actually do.

Is it a good idea to put “yourself” out in the internet? And TheAsianLoverShow

Fair enough. But realize that if no one steps out and does this, then there won’t ever be an Asian-American movement. Nothing will ever happen. You don’t fight, you don’t win. As I said before, no one wants to be the sacrificial lamb but everyone wants to reap the benefits. That’s what’s paralyzing the A-A movement today. So what if you get painted? By who? By the people who were going to discriminate against you in the first place? What difference does it make? If you speak out about it, maybe the Asians at home will even view you as a representative and leader for them. No risk, no reward man. I guess based on what you say, it’s better to keep silent, like Asians have always done. Well, that’s why we are still debating about the situation today and no-one is doing anything to change it.

I’ve seen plenty of white people actively make racist remarks about Asians and nothing ever happens to them. So you’re in this situation society already has a double standard against you, others can make fun of us, but we can’t fight back. Because if we do, we’ll be painted. Well, I guess we should just keep silent then and continue accepting the discrimination.

Is it a good idea to put “yourself” out in the internet? And TheAsianLoverShow

But, as usual, it’s perfectly OK for non-Asian person to make videos online or make remarks in public degrading Asians and they get no repercussions at all from it, even if it’s reported on the Media. So why can’t Asians speak out about racism? How is that going to affect your career? Not like not speaking out is going to help either – you’re going to face a glass ceiling (in most cases) either ways.

Asian pride / dominance SHOULD be very different in 30-40 years

That’s an excellent point. How come I totally missed that one?

Asian pride / dominance SHOULD be very different in 30-40 years

Preferable to only America getting 1st world standard and everyone else getting stuck getting second class treatment 😉 If it’s second class anyways then better for everyone to be second class ;).

Asian pride / dominance SHOULD be very different in 30-40 years

“Why don’t you come up with a conclusion, tell me in a civil way, and I will either confirm or deny it?”.

Haha, sorry, I don’t take orders from anyone. 🙂 You’re gonna have to do better. China / Asia will rise and America is going down the dumps, so I assume, given your background, you should be happy about that 🙂 Glad to know we’re on the same boat.

Asian pride / dominance SHOULD be very different in 30-40 years

Which side are you on?

China is rising… but are the Chinese people becoming more or less white-worshipping?

That generation of the 1930s to the 1950s needs to die, to be honest, and the current generation of China to rise (the 80s, 90s 后) in order for fundamental white worshipping to end. The 80/90后 Asian males do NOT worship whites and hate them with passion. When they take reign of the country (say in 2030-2050), tensions with the West will only increase. Open war is not out of the question.

How hard is it for China to use its massive box office to force Hollywood movies that want to play in China to include Chinese male actors in a positive light?

Such a defeatist attitude bro. I rather see the world go to MAD and everyone gets wiped out by nuclear weapons rather than the current status quo, where Asians just keep quite and nothing happens. I prefer fighting to the death to protect my interests and dignity than silently living on your knees. Just can’t accept that, sorry. Based on your attitude, nothing will ever change you might as well go shoot yourself.

Non discrimination = worship

Ok, maybe not now, but you’re just going to resign and sit back and let Hollywood get it’s day? Fight with all you’ve got. Leverage Asia. Leverage the media. Do your part. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

People will react angrily towards you if you challenge their deep seeded world views. Be prepared to be alone.

Yeah, mostly weak-willed losers.

White dude admits publicly- Asians most picked on racial group

Can someone post this on Wenxuecity? I do respect and admire white guys like him though – not all white guys are racist (such as this guy). But too many are. And too many in power and positions of wealth and influence are racist. That’s the issue.

People will react angrily towards you if you challenge their deep seeded world views. Be prepared to be alone.

That’s why the fundamental issue of “immigrating” to America before the kids turn 18 is so retarded and self defeating. It’s useless to try to make “America” your home if you’re Asian because they won’t ever treat you as one of them, so you throw away your own roots for something you never could obtain. 1st gen immigrants are the biggest culprits in all of this. B/c of their stupidity and short-sightedness led to the 2nd generation to live much more difficult lives than it should have been. How could there be people so fucken retarded.

How hard is it for China to use its massive box office to force Hollywood movies that want to play in China to include Chinese male actors in a positive light?

If that’s the case, this problem will never be solved by peace alone. The only way that is to change is if Asia, led by China or some coalition, wages a full scale war with USA/Europeans, beats them, treats them like Westerners treated the Japanese after WWII, and basically redraw the world order all over again. See Man in High Castle (Amazon TV show)

How hard is it for China to use its massive box office to force Hollywood movies that want to play in China to include Chinese male actors in a positive light?

That’s because the Asian men making these movies already have multiple dates / wives / 小三 and are NOT affected by these negative stereotypes they put on, inadvertently. But they should be made fully aware. Slowly they will catch on.

People will react angrily towards you if you challenge their deep seeded world views. Be prepared to be alone.

There are also some dumbass Asians even in America who still believe that racism doesn’t actually exist (a few who have posted on this forum). How stupid can some people get. They actually help perpetuate racism and sabotage the A-A movement.

Non discrimination = worship

If I were in control of Chinese film production I would start mass producing film that blatantly shit on white people just to even the playing field. What’s the USA gonna do? Start a war? If that’s the only way Asia can beat the USA, then perhaps so be it. It’s inevitable (physical combat of some sort between USA and China at some point). China won’t take this white-western shit much further, things are already starting to change. Other Asian countries are waking up to this crap too. Love the Tencent investing in Tesla today. Buying out USA industries 1 by 1.

Non discrimination = worship

Discriminate the fuck out of white in Asia to even the playing field. Disman2345 is 100% right.

China is spending billions on soft power.

Cause the people in China completely misunderstand and ignore the Asian-American or Chinese-American experience, because they haven’t gone through it themselves. You can only understand it if you’ve gone through it personally.

How often do you get harassed by someone because of your race?

Abc1986, that’s pretty bad, you should relocate to West Coast or Asia. No need to deal with crap from these people.

Global Times Newspaper – “Time to stop romanticizing white men” — Asian Identity’s viewpoint is going global

Translation time? LOL

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

Too local. Not everyone’s parents are millionaires and have a wide network. We need to make this INSTITUTIONAL, not local. A-As need to have this AWARENESS on an institutional scale.

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

Fully agree with you that this fight is for the future, not the past. But I firmly believe that we could benefit a TON from having help from the 1st generation, because they have the connections to Asia, and quite generally, the money and the network. If you can convince them to at least start building a cohesive Asian community in America that can make the 2nd gen’s fight much easier. For example, if all small businesses started by Asians in America start hiring other A-As in large numbers, we can form a “Jewish” like virtuous cycle that would make the 2nd generation’s fight, should they wish to stay here, much easier. What if Asians with money created a fund to finance entrepreneurship projects for other A-As in the USA exclusively, although it wouldn’t be announced publicly like that… you know what I mean? Possibilities are endless. The key point is that A-As, stupidly, don’t play the race card whereas ALMOST every other race does (whites, blacks, Jews, Indians, etc….). WE NEED TO START WATCHING OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER. We need to stop being dumb and playing fair while others play the ethnicity card to get an advantage in every facet of life.

Also, having the 1st generation understand why we are doing what we do is important. They may not be able to help much physically, but having that psychological support that they sympathize and understand our predicament is important to help the 2nd generation with the MENTAL stamina needed to keep this uphill battle. It’s too tiring to fight against all this discrimination by mainstream society and at the same time, have the 1st generation sabotage our efforts by saying that what we are doing is actually not right. Their lack of psychological support is quite detrimental to the 2nd gen’s efforts and often sabotages it, if not directly, then subconsciously.

My point is that we’re pretty much in this alone and we don’t have the resources or population to muster much of a fight w/o the 1st generation and Asia’s native resources. But your message is well taken. Thanks.

Should we all open accounts on Wenxuecheng and speak directly with the parents there? Could be helpful?

Will do. Thanks for the support and encouragement!

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

crap, I thing you’re right, it’s entirely written in Chinese. I couldn’t find an english link. I think it’s best to post something in the 高中 or High School section under 教育. Such as here: http://bbs.wenxuecity.com/college-parents/

Let me look if there is an english translation though. But for registration, I guess it’s pretty easy to figure out the links? (Google translate?).

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

But you still had the inner confidence that if things don’t work out, you can go back to your home country and not face discrimination there. That’s the key difference. The mental comfort from knowing you have BACKUP allows you to stay in the USA and deal with the issues here longer. ABCs don’t have that mental comfort at all, wherever we go we are NEVER the majority. You seem to underestimate having this MENTAL backup. Trust me, it’s a huge advantage.

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

Congratulations for your family and your dad, but your case is the exception. Many more cases of families that migrated here and didn’t end up with much. Their kids now cannot return to Asia that easily to build their own careers. Plus, parents’ money does NOT equal kids’ money. Many parents do not share with their kids. We also don’t want their money. We want the POTENTIAL and society to make our own successes. Somehow, that’s not found in the USA.

Should we all open accounts on Wenxuecheng and speak directly with the parents there? Could be helpful?

Thanks. I think we need more people just communicating with the parents on WXC. We can’t just continually debate about those issues here, cause it’s a small circle and not many other groups come on here. We should feel confident and about discussing all the topics we discuss here straight on WXC (and other language groups). That’s how the ideas flow from one group to another. We can’t stay here and hope they somehow get their way there.

I think it’s better to post English on there, not Chinese. That ways it’s more believable. So no worries if you don’t want to write Chinese. Any effort matters.

Should we all open accounts on Wenxuecheng and speak directly with the parents there? Could be helpful?

I think it’s better for Chinese culture – they are much like Koreans but the age thing is a little better ie. older Chinese do listen to younger generation if you make your case, but I do know that’s an issue for Korean culture.

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

How the fuck is this a fight against “yourself”? You’re playing the stupid game again where you’re blaming the victim rather than the society that’s guilty of the discrimination. So Asians who are discriminated by whites are “fighting with themselves”? WTF? It’s a fight against white supremacy, not a fight against yourself. What is so hard to understand about this?

“Parents built a community together”? What fucken bullshit is this? Parents (the 1st generation) had an identity before they came and all they are doing is identifying with themselves. They didn’t do any additional “work” – the trends were in their favor, they had the social scene easy. The social scene was already in place for them. Instead of appreciating this, they purposely took that identity (the social crutch) away from the 2nd generation and now trying to absolve all responsibility? Just like cutting off your child’s wings and then telling him – why the fuck can’t you fly? Can’t fly, STFU? What kind of fucken logic is this?

IMO, the 1st generation is the one that needs to STFU and start listening to the 2nd generation and start taking notes and helping the 2nd generation build this community – i.e. – 1st gens in America should start networks to hire exclusively Asians in America so that we start building this network.

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

Ok. Fair enough. I’m not gonna get into another useless debate with you. Waste of both sides time and energy. The Korea immigrant story is a bit different, and the Korean culture in America remains very different from the Chinese culture in America today. That’s why it’s very difficult for A-As as a whole to cooperate in this country – too many little differences that cannot be sorted out.

At least propose something then, instead of debating back and forth on here. Like I said, everyone already knows how everyone else thinks. If you want to change something why not reach out to the Korean community here and share with them your story? I’m trying to do the same with the Chinese community. No way we can fight this all alone. Allies are needed.

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

Don’t be dumb. They had their own communities here in the U.S. that spoke their own language, had own activities, own culture, own networks and friend circles that prevented them from having to face the white society at large with no way out. Asian-Americans going back to Asia don’t have that circle – you won’t find large swaths of Asian-Americans in Asian countries that watch out for one another. Asian-Americans don’t have own culture barrier, and no firm sense of identity. Haven’t we been saying this all along?

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

See my new post: https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/60vgp2/should_we_all_open_accounts_on_wenxuecheng_and/

Why not go to WXC en masse (all the users here) and tell them directly? if one person tells them, they don’t believe that one person. If 20 tell them, maybe they will realize it’s truth?

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

See my new post: https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/60vgp2/should_we_all_open_accounts_on_wenxuecheng_and/

Why not go to WXC en masse (all the users here) and tell them directly? if one person tells them, they don’t believe that one person. If 20 tell them, maybe they will realize it’s truth?

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

See my new post: https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/60vgp2/should_we_all_open_accounts_on_wenxuecheng_and/

Why not go to WXC en masse (all the users here) and tell them directly? if one person tells them, they don’t believe that one person. If 20 tell them, maybe they will realize it’s truth?

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

Except if we elect to go back we don’t have any type of social support system back in Asia either, unlike the 1st generation who have a continued social support in America when they came here. It’s not the same situation at all. We literally have no one to help us, at all.

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

Yeah I don’t know. I’m just venting, even though I know it won’t do much even if they admit it. So goddamn frustrating

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

arcterex117, this is well said. Any chance I can post this on Wenxuecheng as well and other discussion forums to make people more aware? Thanks

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

HenLiHai, this is a great post – any chance I can translate what you said into Chinese to post on Wenxuecheng? Or post the original text in English? I think people need to be aware of this.

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

You aren’t as discriminated against in the dating game as East Asians. And East Asians have it equally competitive in terms of jobs/career. Plus they are vastly disadvantaged in the dating game.

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

Focus is on East Asians who are discriminated against the most in America. Pakistianians have it a bit better to be frank.

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

But if you look closer all the rich Chinese got rich because of their connections to China or the Chinese market. Any really rich ABCs who got rich in America? I don’t see many at all. Your parents may be saying that but do they really know WHY they came other than the fact that they see everyone else coming? This type of herd mentality. Plus, what about most parents who are poor when they came? You can easily argue they are losers for not ending up like Jack Ma . It’s not the CCP or the cultural revolution that prevented them from being successful, it’s their own failures to work hard. So they should stop bitching about how bad China was back then, it is their own failure and lack of ability that they had to resort to coming to the US instead of succeeding in China. You can use the same argument against them. U see how the argument cuts both ways?

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

Agreed. The West, as it seems more so nowdays, seems to attract more and more of these “losers” (guys and girls) from Asia who have no pride in their culture, blindly worship white culture, and have no backbone and no huge career dreams or ambitions (the ones with huge career ambitions understand that you have to stay in Asia to have a chance).

Next time your parents say your lack of friends, network, contacts, success in Western worlds is because of your own fault rather than the environment…

So by their own logic, they are losers and cowards for not facing their bad circumstances bravely, rather choosing to avoid the problem by immigrating to the states. So they have no right to criticize the 2nd generation for protesting and pointing this out. Hypocrites.

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

Ignore him, he’s a dumb loser who is trying real hard to blend in with whites and also he has to listen to his mommy cause he’s drinking the “we sacrificed so much for you” 1st generation Cool-aid. Dumb spineless cowards like him who can’t see the truth is another core reason why the A-A community is so fragmented. They have no balls to face reality and confront the truth. He’ll see in a few years.

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

Ignore the fucktard dtpglly above, just another wenxuecheng parent disguished as a reddit user. Knows nothing about race relationships in America, blindly worships the West, and is another reason why ABCs are in their current dilemma. He/she is only out for him/herself, she doesn’t give a damn about what ABCs go through. She just wants to breath some fresh air, and enjoy the company of her Chinese circle.

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

LuciansInParis, you’re fucken pathetic. It’s clear you don’t have any career aspirations and most you care about is body building and fucking women. Asians don’t need sellout traitors like you, pathetic sellout to whites. You think everyone is like you, whose only life goal is to be buff and ribbed? You think it’s good enough for A-As that we go to the gym and suddenly we’re gonna get fair treatment? Get real, you pathetic loser. I want to see, and A-As deserve, to be in the boardrooms of American corporations. We should be serving on company boards. We should be running Wall Street institutions, managing millions of dollars for American clients. We should not only be surgeons or some backoffice lawyer but also serving on litigation boards, being on the Senate and Congress, we should have all of these in order for this country to say “it’s a fair country”. I don’t see any of this. There is plenty of evidence to suggest even if you are aggressive and outgoing as an Asian, white society still treats you unfairly and doesn’t give you opportunities. And you’re trying to defeat your own cause? Get real man.

If you have any experience working in any industry that’s in any way globalized you would know being ABC has zero advantages and all disadvantages, and yet you want to keep it this way? It’s obvious you have very limited real world experience, very little work experience. There’s almost zero correlation to how confident you are as an Asian male and truly being accepted in white society. You can try as hard as you want but in most cases some average white loser shows up and he gets higher status than you. You’re playing a loser’s game. You say life isn’t perfect. No shit, we know that. But are you saying that’s no reason to protest, complain, and rectify things? By your definition, blacks shouldn’t be complaining at all, because “life isn’t perfect”. Women shouldn’t be bitching cause “life isn’t perfect”? Latinos should be protesting cause “life isn’t perfect”? But then why the fuck is life so perfect for white people? What the fuck did they do to have everything going for them? Absolutely nothing! Why shouldn’t life be more perfect for Asians? Asians deserve just as much as whites, if not more. Life should be better and more perfect for Asians. And why should Asians in America go out of our way to appease and fit into white society? Asians are better than fucken whites. Why don’t white go out of their way to appease us? I have zero need to go out of my way to appease any white losers/trash simply because they’re white. They can go out of their way to appease me.

Chickenshit losers like you probably look down on other Asian brothers just because you have some whitey friends, don’t you? Fuck you and please know you will never be fully accepted by your white buddies they will stab you in the back when the time comes. You’re as dumb as fuck if you think there’s no systemic racism in white racist America or any western nation against Asians. You think going to the gym is going to get you promoted at work? You think going to the gym is going to help a generation of Asians get the respect they deserve? you think going to the gym is going to help Asian protrayal in Hollywood? No, no, and no. They will continue to use embarrassing stereotypes for Asians even if all Asians hypothetically buffed up. White simply don’t want Asians to take any social or political power in this country, can it get even more obvious?

Also, How the fuck do you know people in China are living such a “bad life”? I go to China ALL THE TIME and see young kids growing up with confidence and belonging, whereas if they grew up here they would easily be ostracized. You’re a fucken little “pacifist” to the white people who thinks just because there are a few ABCs who seem to blend in nice with the whities the 75% of others who don’t, not because of anything do with themselves, have bad social skills. Why don’t a stupid fuck like you actually try going to China for a few months and see how people live there? If the first generation thought a little more about rushing to come here and taking their babies here, then we would not have second generation issues at all – are they not to blame? Stupid, self-defeatist MORON like you is the reason why there is NO cohesion and political power in Asians in America – cause you think the solution is just “improve yourself”, rather than fighting against an unjust society. You can keep trying and find out in 40 years that nothing will change. You’re a coward who can’t face the reality that there’s nothing you can do to make whites think you’re one of them. Nice try, but get the fuck off this forum, faceless, gutless coward. You’re as retarded as people get – remember my words, dumbass. Time will prove me to be correct, not you. See what happens in 10-15 years in America. It will only get worse. Do you honestly think Trump cares about Asians? You’re such a fucken dumbass. You’re a naive little baby who thinks the world is so “fair”, just by keeping your head down you can achieve success. That’s simply not true. You’re so lost and wrong you’re beyond saving.

I feel more depressed the more I read this forum….

Life is not that tough in China lol – you may be poorer, but the sense of community and lack of discrimination outweighs that – it’s not like people are starving to death in China. And you have the chance to be rich. There are almost no advantages growing up in the West for Asian male, as the world stands now.

And confidence, means everything.

I feel more depressed the more I read this forum….

China will kick USA’s ass sooner or later. Wanda already tried buying Dick Clark, but they didn’t sell (cause whites know what’s up – China and Asia are trying to vy for soft political power now). But sooner or later the trends is unstoppable.

Why do some Asian Americans sometimes (though not always) retain some of the prosody and phonotactics of those languages even if they were born in America?

Why forget your mother tone and speak Perfect english? It’s not like you’ll be accepted anyways. Waste of time/effort.

Where do your parents stand on anti-Asian racism?

It’s not even cognitive dissonance, the real reason is parents are SELFISH. To them, they don’t really care about 2/3rd generation b/c they aren’t the ones experiencing the cultural isolation. It’s their kids. As long as they aren’t the ones experiencing it they won’t really care, even if their kids are in pain. Parents can be extremely selfish. If they start to feel the pain and were in the same situation they would totally admit it’s true. It’s pure selfishness – “I’m not experiencing it, so I don’t believe anything you say.” Selfish, selfish parents.

Where do your parents stand on anti-Asian racism?

Parents are wenxuecheng are, with a few exceptions, mostly retarded.

Asian American Men Want Solidarity With Black/Latinos

The black and latino community have done nothing to show support for the Asians in America and we should not concern ourselves with them much either until their attitude starts to change.

How do you go about educating people in Asia and/or 1st generation immigrants?

Abc1986, thanks for writing a collection of great posts recently, not only this one but also your experiences in HK / Singapore and others.

IMO the only way to get 1st generation to understand the racism situation is to have them experience it firsthand – ie, ostracism from the Asian community and discrimination by whites. Since that can’t really be done, they will never get it. If they could experience it, they would know within 2 days what the truth is.

How to raise Asian kids to be woke, aware and non-white worshipping in North America?

It is absolutely necessary for them to go back to Asia and spend time living there, going to school, interacting with locals. Go to Hong Kong, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore – magnificents – beat New York by a mile.

Asia is lost.

The fundamental reason behind all of this is simple: the 1st gen DON’T really CARE about any of these issues b/c they are NOT the ones who actually suffer from discrimination. It’s the 2nd generation that does. If you started discriminating 1st gen Asians today everywhere they go I’m sure they would start caring. People, unfortunately, are inherently selfish.

Asia is lost.

Parents sacrified nothing. It’s just an excuse. The primary reason parents come to the USA is FOR THEMSELVES, they use their kids as an excuse to sound less selfish. The kids have to take the real emotion damage of growing up as social outcasts, NOT the parents. The parents freely integrate with Asians in America and are free to go back to Asia and blend in perfectly as they see fit. That’s why most of the first Gen don’t even return to Asia to take care of their parents – b/c coming to America is inherently selfish and they are perfectly happy with sacrificing the happiness of the next generation so that they can get the best of both worlds. Sorry, it’s the truth.

2017 Study – Asian last names lead to 28% disadvantage in getting a job

Yep give me some time.

Pentagon Report on China Racism and Containment Recommendations

Sure give me some time.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

I didn’t — someone else did.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

“Learning Chinese when you 20 years old is not effective. Again, you have to speak Chinese like it’s your mother tongue.”

~ok, don’t you think it’s very strange, that Asian immigrants (1st generation) or international students can come to the USA after they are 20, learn English, speak broken English, but still make a decent living and life in the USA and enjoy their own social circle? But somehow, ABCs or A-As who want to return to their home countries and live cannot do the same? It’s it vastly unfair and pure BS that immigration basically only goes one way? By depriving kids of their future potential in their “home countries” – parents are in fact fucking up their kids, w/o being aware of this or purposely being unaware of this.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

Then you’re out of luck my friend. What do you want me to say?

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

Jerry yang was kicked out.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

Even better.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

Yeah that’s correct. To your last point of the Asian females have it far easier route to the C-suite they can always sleep their way up. Much of these discussions pertains to the Asian MALE in America. The reality is extremely bleak. Also, as you may know, the USA culture has ZERO respect for the Asian culture and the two are directly in contrast – I see a lot of white people at US firms disrespecting Asian people and it’s really obvious. As an A-A working in Singapore or HK, you don’t get that – the locals treat you with a TON of more respect.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

Yes, none of those names LOOKs East Asian. Give me someone who LOOKS very much East Asian and can reach C-suite in white dominated fields. There are almost NONE. The discrimination is against the East Asian APPEARANCE. It’s that simple and that shallow.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

Indians don’t face the glass ceiling and it’s not a problem for them. It’s because 1) they look Western with many similar facial characteristics, 2) they speak English fluently, 3) India is a US ally which helps.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

Jackie Chan has the full backing of his Chinese/HK roots and doesn’t count. Same as Jet Li, Donnie Yen, etc… Bruce Lee would count but he is truly an exception – you have to be born with talent like him. He’s no average person. Donnie Yen could be considered somewhat A-A b/c he grew up in Boston, but he had to go back to HK to get his career running.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

That would be one, but again, another Taiwanese immigrant. Also in tech. How come I rarely see Chinese immigrants become anything in the states? Discrimination against communism?

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

But if you learn your language at least you can be MORE accepted over time in Asia than in the states, where you are limited based on the way you look that cannot be changed.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

These are not people I or many of the hardworking asians around me want to be. We know nothing about cosmetics and don’t want to be some Youtuber.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

There are tons of Asian-Americans who work in finance in HK, and get up to the executive director or managing director level. Go to Linkedin and search for these positions for major banks like Goldman, Morgan, JPM, Citi, etc… and you will find many people of having a US background who can go upwards in these places. More in hedge funds and asset management companies too. Law firms less so. But way more than I’ve seen in the USA. In the USA, in finance, I’ve seen LESS than 5 people who actually are Asian and are somehow managing director at financial institutions, and almost none in law. Also, as I listed above, people like Joe Tsai (who knows some Mandarin but still American background) can be found more in Asia than the USA. There are many HK / Singapore, British-born Chinese in HK and southern part of China who, although may not be able to make it to the very top, can live more meaningful lives in Asia b/c not just about the job, but the social life is more respectful of Asian men. Nobody said it was easy, but for many it beats being in the USA where you’re fighting against white institutional racism. I rather get owned by Asians than by some racist whites.

You could also go to SE Asia, I know a college friend (A-A) who joined a startup in SE Asia and he is now a country-wide director of marketing. He would never be able to be a director of sales/marketing in the USA. You need to go somewhere where the cliente is the same race as yourself. East Asians tend to rank pretty high on the social ladder in SE Asia.

You really think you are powerful enough to “fuck everything up so that nobody gets any share of the pie”? I wish you were, but give me a break. A-As don’t have money, don’t have population, don’t have any influence whatsoever. What are you gonna use to change the tide? Take a look at those list of rich Asians in the USA – have you tried getting
people like Patrick Soon Shiong to start pouring money into an A-A political movement? All the Asian in America each have their own little identities – the Chinese, the Korea, the Japanese, etc… there’s too much discrimination AMONGST these groups for any A-A to have any legs. Too much disloyalty and defection. A-A are just not powerful at all to do anything to the white population – how are you gonna fuck things ups when you don’t have the $ to begin with? Whose is gonna give you the $ and the resources to wage legal battles against companies? I understand your sentiment but it’s just not realistic. The institutions, courts, media are all controlled by whites (and even more so under this current idiotic administration). You think you can make a dent in that? I wish you could, but paint me a way that doesn’t involve sacrificing your own life.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

While there is arguably a glass ceiling in Asia for A-As as well (for example if you don’t have connections you may be not easily be the CEO of local companies or enter politics), from my personal observation in finance, consulting, and law there are way MORE A-As who can make the senior executive or partner level in firms in HK, Singapore, SH, or even start their own businesses in these industries that aren’t related to opening up a restaurant. So while there are difficulties, my feeling is it IS far better than in the USA or white-dominated territories.

Would appreciate others’ input on this.

The alternative would be to admit that A-As is a death-spell for your career ambitions and that you automatically face glass-ceilings everywhere? How realistic is this?

Take Joe Tsai, the executive chairman and second in command at Alibaba. You can hear him speak here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gczvlDPILyc&t=549s. He is basically Chinese-Canadian, and his Chinese is not too strong, but this guy helped Jack Ma build Alibaba since the early 2000s and is worth several billion today. No way someone like him can EVER build such influence or wealth in the United States anywhere. He’s just one example, I know many others. So while Asia is NO guarantee that anything can happen, the PROBABILITY exists, at least you can find a large list of people who have done something well in China, versus in the USA, it’s hard even coming up with a meaningful list who are not 1) AF married to WM, or 2) in food/restaurant industry.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

I am obsessed with helping Asians in America get the status, money, influence, dating and career satisfaction they rightfully deserve. If that means encouraging them to move back to Asia then so be it.

I don’t see how you can get most of that staying in USA. The whites make the rules. You’re fighting against all tides. It’s not that I don’t encourage people to stay, but if you do, then please highlight for us a path to victory that actually works and won’t take a century or more. I’m a realist. If you stay here, you would have to basically limit your career options to food or fashion or hardcore tech, which I don’t think is either fair or realistic for many A-As (especially guys) who were trained in “softer” areas like economics, law, business, or such. If my fellow A-As are working 5x as hard as whites but getting like 0.5x the results then I think there is something very, very wrong with this country.

You do realize that many people wouldn’t want to encourage people to pursue jobs in Asia, for instance, if they are doing the same, b/c that encourage more competition. But I’m not that selfish. I really care about many A-As who deserve far more than they are getting for what they have contributed. I could care less if I happen to encourage many A-As to start looking for jobs in Asia and somehow that “increases competition” for myself. I am confident Asia has more than enough opps for all of us, plus more.

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

My point exactly. Are there any ABC type Asian-Americans who have become anything in America that you could point to and say – “I want to stay in the USA and be just like him!”?

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

So of all the Asians in America, we have one – Patrick Soon Shiong. So all of us being in America are betting our entire career on perhaps becoming another Patrick?

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

Do Won Chang grew up in South Korea, so that’s not the background I specifically said. I want examples of USA-born or USA-grew up type of people who cannot rely on their home culture.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Won_Chang

Has there been ANY Asian-American (not dependent on Asia) who has come to dominate US circles or image in any sector?

Indians don’t count. I want exact matches for the East Asians who look and are culturally different from Indians. India is also a USA ally and hence are in a very different spot from Chinese-Americans.

In the US, do Asians have it easy once they become doctors?

That sounds to be the case.

In the US, do Asians have it easy once they become doctors?

Pls provide more details –

Tiger mothers run risk of raising ethnic outcasts in pursuit of academic success

It’s a bunch of selfish parents trying to “justify” their own choices and weaknesses. It’s too human nature. No one wants to admit they are wrong. Just look at the pile of scum parents on Wenxuecity.com and how they place their own interests ahead of their childrens. It’s despicable and personally I think these “tiger parents” should be tried for emotional murder and put in a labor camp, to give them a taste of their own medicine.

Tiger mothers run risk of raising ethnic outcasts in pursuit of academic success

Why the fuck should Asians sacrifice anything for whites, blacks and latinos? Have any white, black or latino done anything positive for Asian Americans? An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. If you hit me, I’m gonna hit back 3x harder. It’s the racist white racist SOBs who should be sacrificing more for the Asians who made their country the leaders in tech and development over the last 30 years. Asians have nothing to sacrifice. We will soon be powerful, if not this decade, in the next 2-3 decades, and white people will just have to deal with this reality.

In the US, do Asians have it easy once they become doctors?

You can always be an exception but the probability is low and you will have to work 5 times harder for 0.5 the result as whites. If that appeals to you go ahead no one’s stopping you

If you could give only one piece of advice to your younger brother, cousin, nephew, or son – what would that be?

I have to say I agree more with Nomadicposter.

the0clean0slate, the shielding effect you talk about is true, but even if it is so, as long as it makes you feel better to be in Asia why not do it? Why stay in the USA just to “prove something”… prove what? You think they can’t restrict Asian immigration into America? The whites control the laws man, they can change this any way they want to prevent any A-A “activist movement”.

Also, this generation of Chinese isn’t that white-worshipping anymore. Many are very nationalistic. I predict in the next 20-30 years China and USA will have military conflict, just wait and see. Time to beat the white racist fuckers by using military might.

If you could give only one piece of advice to your younger brother, cousin, nephew, or son – what would that be?

From an individual POV, why not move back? It’s not like if you stay here the racism will disappear. America will never be “less white”. They will restrict immigration if necessary to prevent other races from taking over. Don’t believe me? Look what’s happening with the current administratino.

In the US, do Asians have it easy once they become doctors?

Do not go to law school. from what I heard, law is insanely relationship-driven, Asian American men face huge disadvantages in law. Look at how many Asian-American lawyers in the partner or senior level do you know (not including the Asians who do business with Asia).

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Patrick, if you noticed, many ABCs don’t want to speak Chinese, but many 老外 can easily speak very broken Chinese w/o hesitation, and many 老中 can easily speak very broken English but very confidently. For either the white person speaking Chinese or the Chinese person speaking English, there is no pressure to be perfect, so they don’t have any 心理压力,所以可以发挥比较自然。 The main issue for most ABCs is that it is very embarrassing to have a Chinese face and not able to speak your own tongue, so that’s why most avoid it, and even if you learn it, 对孩子的心理压力实在太大。你就想像如果社会要求你学外语的时候不能犯错误,这压力是很大的,一般人应该都受不了。 In college, I took an advanced Mandarin course and the entire course was like 7 people, and I was the only Chinese in the course – everyone else was white (and even one hispanic). That just shows that beyond a certain point, it’s very embarrassing for ABCs to “relearn Chinese” b/c they are expected by the environment to already know the language, and the standard is PERFECTION, not just know some words, because they have a Chinese face. That’s why parents who bring their kids to America and have them become ABCs are essentially murdering the kids’ dignity. It’s sick and despicable – the parents should be punished.

The international legal definition of genocide

IMO, the parents who bring their kids to America, cut them from their roots, and don’t actively help their kids with these issues later on are no different from committing murder. So you might want to explore a case where you sue the 1st generation parents for culture and social homicide. How is this any different from parents sacrificing kids in the name of some “religion” or “ritual” that anyone can see is harmful to the kids but the parents are blind to that? This fielial piety is nothing more than a death ritual.

The international legal definition of genocide

No, but you should work smartly and pick the battles that you have a high chance of winning. I never fight a battle that I have say 1% chance of winning, regardless of the fact that I COULD win. Hope is not a strategy. You should play the odds. If you want any A-A movement in the USA you cannot avoid making allies with Asia’s growing economic power. A pure A-A movement in the United States will never work unless something dramatic happens (but you can’t bet on it).

Two Things to Have a Happy Life as a Minority

Really good points.

The international legal definition of genocide

You want to use the western legal system to make a case that western people are being racist to Asians? The legal system is controlled by white people – people will just laugh at you.

Tiger mothers run risk of raising ethnic outcasts in pursuit of academic success

I don’t give a rat’s fuck what the 1st generation thinks about. They need to understand that their face isn’t as important as a child’s lifetime happiness. Just a bunch of selfish cunts who view their own happiness as more important than giving their children a meaningful future. How hard is it to sacrifice a bit of your own “face” and “false expectations” to make your child truly happy? Lots of Asian parents are so delusional they have zero clue what the hell is going on. Pathetic selfish morons.

Tiger mothers run risk of raising ethnic outcasts in pursuit of academic success

Honestly, I don’t give a damn about all this moral none-sense. This doesn’t lead to happiness. Fuck Asian morality and may it be damned. I just want Asian 2nd generation coming here to be happy and live with the dignity they fully deserve. It’s that simple. Fuck the parents who put morality above children’s happiness (often times it’s the same parents who actually don’t take care of their elders back in Asia, so they are just parasites who want the best of both worlds – for their children to take care of them, but at the same time they abandon their parents back in Asia as they selfishly chase the American dream). Many 1st gens are insanely selfish. Just look at the discussion topics on Wenxuecity. Everything they force their kids to do in America is based on the selfish desires of the parents to use to compare to other parents. Fucken selfish cunts.

Tiger mothers run risk of raising ethnic outcasts in pursuit of academic success

I agree with what you said. But the key issue is that the parents don’t REALLY care about this issue b/c ultimately, it’s not them that’s affected. What I’ve learned is that, unfortunately, most people only care about themselves (even if it’s parent-child relationship). So unless you can get these parents to EXPERIENCE firsthand the pain of being an ethnic outcast, then nothing’s gonna force them to change their behavior to avoid screwing the 2nd generation.

Tiger mothers run risk of raising ethnic outcasts in pursuit of academic success

“Asian American and especially Asian parents need to stop thinking that getting straight A is the only key to success in life.”

It’s useless to keep discussing on here. Learn your native language and start translating and communicating with the people back hole. The parents who need to read this don’t have good english skills.

Two Things to Have a Happy Life as a Minority

And exactly how do you get money and power being a minority (especially Asian in America)? Isn’t that the entire point of this “issue” facing A-As right now? If we could easily obtain positions of power and influence we would be much richer and won’t have to discuss this all day. Your advice works (in theory) but it is way easier said than done. Of course everyone wants to have a $10 million nest egg and never worry about this, but how do you do that if whites are actively preventing Asians from obtaining these positions that can lead to money and influence? Start your own Chinese restaurant? How profitable is that?

I’m not sure what you are trying to get across in this post. Seems like everyone knows A-As need power and money, that’s obvious, but how exactly do you get that in a white, racist, dominated society that actively tries to prevent Asians from reaching this level? Wouldn’t it make more sense to try to make a career back in Asia where there’s a bigger market? You can always come back to the USA for retirement should you prefer.

“How to reflect on Chinese overseas student being beaten to death by British boyfriend?” – Zhihu (Chinese counterpart to Quora) Question

For the record, I actually uploaded by original Wenxuecity article on Zhihu as well but apparently they deleted my account. Those people there are a bunch of white slaves and suckers.

Assimilation is not Dignity

Agree with OP 1000%.

Look, even Ivanka trump’s daughter is learning Chinese, they see the value of Chinese culture in this interglobal world, yet some ABCs are trying to “assimilate” into white culture (which, by the way, can’t be done). Open your eyes guys.

Asians in Asia have trouble understanding racism in the west because that is not how racism in Asia works

Yes, OP is very correct – so much of this is driven by selfish “face”. Screw the kids, face for the parents is more important to them than putting their kids at a major disadvantage for life.

Face >>> everything. Better to die than to lose face, for these people.

Truth: face isn’t worth shit. There are many worse things you can have than losing face.

It’s those buttercups who have never suffered much in life who care about “losing face”. They never had much face to begin with.

Assimilation is not Dignity

Keep barking, little desperate beta male who can’t fit in anywhere 🙂 Too bad you have to try so hard. I’ll pray for you.

Assimilation is not Dignity

Keep barking, dog. Go serve your white masters, LOL. You’re as dumb and naive as they get.

Assimilation is not Dignity

Keep a lit on it, loser. It’s your own fault you don’t fit in anywhere.

Keep barking like a dog.

Assimilation is not Dignity

And another problem: too many A-A males are obsessed with “game” and being “Alpha” – that is the result of years of mental raping by white culture which implicitly says that Asians are beta. Notice white people in USA or Asians in Asia never give a damn about being alpha or not, they act themselves and everyone gets a date. This whole “I’m Alpha” thing that Oxman1234 keeps referring to is just his own ego trying to protect itself from years of being discriminated against by whites. Let’s pray for him.

Assimilation is not Dignity

That’s the ultimate problem with so many A-As like oxman1234. He’s so insecure about himself that he overreacts to anyone who speaks the truth: that Asians won’t ever assimilate. He lives in a little self-delusional bubble where he thinks he just needs to self-hate a bit more and suck up to whites a bit more and things will work out. I’ve seen many people like him. We should sympathize with them – they are deep down inside very miserable. That’s why he always insults/attacks others first, as you can clearly see if you search through his post history.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Who says I told everyone to complain only? We work hard to relearn our Chinese, and reintegrate into Asian society.

It’s not the fact that Asian parents choose to come here that bothers me, it’s their ATTITUDE after then come, that they are such slaves to the white people, that bother me.

But the Chinese culture’s view that one should NEVER complain and keep your head down doesn’t work in the USA – western culture is all about making waves and complaining. If you don’t complaining, someone else will and get more than you. So you should stop viewing complaining as a bad thing. It’s actually a good thing and helps our own people. Everyone complains – women, blacks, hispanics, etc… Except Asians, who all want to 埋头苦干 怕枪打出头鸟. that doesn’t work in America. That’s why Asians have zero political representation. B/c we don’t complain.

Assimilation is not Dignity

It’s too bad that you have to work extra hard to find a date while white people do it effortlessly, simply because of your race. No one cares that you were born in America. Your face means you are a perpetual foreigner 🙂

Assimilation is not Dignity

You’re just a little desperate beta male trying to make the best of the scraps that white people leave behind. LOL. Sucks for you, but bro, I do feel for you.

Assimilation is not Dignity

You’re a dumbass bro. For you, it’s all about girls isn’t it? I don’t need all your dumbass A-A desperation strategies b/c I am alpha when I speak my language and understand my own culture. Unlike a loser like you who has to “study” on how to pick up girls when white people do it naturally. You are the definition of a loser, bro. So shut your piehole and wish you a merry day.

Assimilation is not Dignity

Hope isn’t a strategy, dumbass. Shut the fuck up.

Assimilation is not Dignity

Many people agree with me: http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16120&start=30

How many agree with you? LOL

Assimilation is not Dignity

Being Asian-American loser like you is unattractive, LOL.

Assimilation is not Dignity

No, I just exposed the truth that you never wanted to admit b/c it would take you out of your dream world.

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Look at what this user said about people like you:

“That’s very good that Asians are successful however, that’s only financially in thier personal lives however, many Asians are very miserable, social phobic people with inferiority complexes always trying to live up to people who could careless about them expectations and that is no better if you ask me.”

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Please don’t waste my time any more, you white-washed race traitor.

Look, they’re talking about you here: http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16120&start=15

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Don’t worry, little boy, I posted that not for you to read, but for others to see how dumb and whitewashed you are 🙂 🙂

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I haven’t seen you do anything to help A-As at all. Why don’t you go out there and start a protest for us? Or is your entire strategy to try to suck up to whites? Mindless, ball-less, loser. Grow a backbone.

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LOL. Oxman1234 just reeks of desperation to fit in. Too bad he doesn’t realize he can’t. Keep trying man, keep sucking up to whites just harder. LOL. Dumbass.

Oxman1234 has been ostracized and bullied probably his entire life and is trying to delude himself into thinking it wasn’t really bullying, but that his white brothers truly care about him. LOL

Just look at him crying in another post about how he should be American b/c he pays taxes. What a white-washed MORON:

“The basis of your argument is where you are off. I am Asian AMERICAN. Born and raised here, I pay a shitload of taxes and abide by the law. This is my country just as much as it is yours. Your belief that the US is only a white country is where we fundamentally disagree. Secondly your implication about what would happen in Asia if white people were presumably to immigrate and become citizens (not expats mind you) is completely irrelevant to me as I am American. It is obviously implicit wired into your brain that I am not a “true” American and have some loyalty to and responsibility for what goes on in Asia. What a crock of shit”

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Keep yapping your little mouth. Won’t do much to help white society accept you. I got to go, have a conference call with a Chinese company 🙂

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Oxman1234 – they are talking about you right here:

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16120

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Keep talking, culture-less pathetic loser who has no other choice than to try to mingle with whites but keep failing and desperately trying to believe that it’s possible if he tries just one bit harder 🙂

On your way to being eliminated from the GENE POOL. HAHA.

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You’re vocabulary is quite pathetic too. You can’t even speak your own language, no wonder you have to try to mingle with whites. You don’t have any other option :). LOL, what a desperate and lost little fellow you are.

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You don’t need to tell me what I can or cannot do, China is awesome, Asia is awesome, and pathetic Asians who think they are white like you will be eliminated from the genetic pool soon, hahahaha.

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Oh, boy, a culture-less pathetic loser like you telling me what I should do with my life, how pathetic. Enjoy being stepped on for life, white-washed culture-less coward.

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Yeah, out of hundreds of thousands of A-As who work their asses off in America only maybe 5 MDs in finance max. The proportion is what matters. It’s possible but the chances are extremely low. But obviously you don’t get that, cause you’re a dumb ass fuck who thinks by working just a bit harder you’ll be accepted into white circles. You’re nothing more than a wannabe loser and race traitor. Go back to your fucken miserable little hole, we don’t want to see you here. You have zero self-esteem, zero self-respect, and you are absolutely pathetic because you can’t see the forest for the trees. You would rather be a slave to the whites than to be a first class Asian citizen. What a massive, LOSER, LOL

I would recommend you take one of those life coach courses, maybe it might help you elevate your confidence a little bit (you clearly have zero right now). But too bad you’ll still be below the whites, no matter how hard you try 🙂 🙂 Enjoy being stepped on your entire life, don’t say we didn’t try to help you. We tried, but you were too dumb to listen. HAHAHAHA

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Cause you can’t, idiot. Now you resort to insults (looking at your post history you seem to have a record of resorting to insults whenever you can’t win the argument). Did I hurt your sensitive feelings kid? Did I destroy your dream to integrate into white society? Cry me a river, coward. HAHA. You seem to be one of those who are so DESPERATE to integrate and are trying everything you can muster to shield your eyes from the discrimination that happens every day.

Looking at your post history, it’s clear that you’re lost and think that b/c you are born in America you should be recognized as American by everyone else. That’s just not how reality works pumpkin. You need to get your head out of dreamland and get a grip on reality. Keep wishing is not gonna change reality – white people don’t view you as truly America and that’s not gonna change.

What a childish moron dumb fuck you are. Don’t waste my time, idiot. People like you don’t have a fuck what’s going on in the movement and are a parasite to the A-A movement. Keep denying reality, dumb fuck. I feel sorry for you. Too bad you won’t ever belong anywhere with your mentality, haha. I feel sorry for a culture-less loser like you who have no option other than resort to hating other Asians and trying to suck up to whites.

We’re smart – the ones who integrate with Asia. We play the game with higher odds. You’re strategy is to hope that a miracle happens somehow and Asians start getting respect here. Hope is not a strategy. You have a lot to learn about life, son.

Asians have no need to integrate or assimilate to whites. Period. But obviously you don’t understand this. I could type some Chinese for you but too bad you won’t understand either. LMFAO. Go live your miserable life as a second class (or even third class) citizen, HAHAHA LOL

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Guys, I think we are getting lost in this debate a little bit. Seems like everyone is thinking you either have to stay here or go back to Asia. No. That’s not my initial point. My original point was: DON’t LOSE YOUR ROOTS. If you have your cultural root, you can stay in the USA, or go to any country you fucken want (Russia, Iraq, whatever pleases you). I didn’t you not to immigrate. All I said was to let your children get their “roots” in Asia first and leave the decision of where to immigrate up to them in future.

You just don’t want to be stuck in a situation where even if you want to go back to your home country in Asia you can’t b/c you grew up in here and don’t know the culture/language back home. That’s all it is. It’s about leaving that door open. Especially during current times where it looks like USA is becoming more backwards and intolerant of minorities.

For all Asian-Americans (especially Chinese) – the more you learn your native language, the more you will find your dignity coming back

Ok, ok, keep your strategy and keep trying to mingle with whites while losing your dignity and tell me how your strategy works in 10-20 years. LOL.

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But you’re right, the general attitude for A-As in America is pretty defeatist.

Part of this is due to whenever someone makes a complaint or rant about discrimination against A-As there are always some other A-As who come out and say that such discrimination doesn’t exist. Which I think is pretty self defeating. If you don’t even admit the problem exists, then how can we start solving the problem?

If we don’t admit the problem exists, then what’s the point of all these discussion and “activist talks”?

The sick part is, probably some ABCs think they are “superior to other” ABCs if they have more white friends, so all the ABCs hate each other and compete to have more white friends. Which is a losing strategy => all the ABCs lose.

Seems there still a lot of “self-hate” in the A-A community – people don’t want to pretend like they are “victims”, just work a bit harder and you will assimilate type of thinking. But this type of thinking is exactly why Asians have no representation. Everyone complains in America. Women complain, blacks, hispanics, LGBTs, everyone protests. So why Asians don’t complain? What’s wrong with complaining?

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Arterex117, it all depends on each person’s preference. Some people are happier being the “butt of an phoenix” rather than the “head of a chicken”, but others prefer being the “head of the chicken” rather than “butt of a phoenix”. But parents shouldn’t be making this decision for the kid, but give the child the resources to decide.

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HenLiHai – exactly, that is exactly correct. There can be a few rare Asians who do exceptionally well, but the LARGER environment is very difficult for the AVERAGE Asian to do as well as the average white with similar effort. That’s the essence of discrimination. It is unrealistic to always expect yourself to be the sole exception.

If you just use the extremes, then no one can argue with this logic. You can say that the parents who immigrated here to the USA shouldn’t have immigrated b/c there is someone who made it successfully in China, like Jack Ma or Wang Jianling, so you can just say that those immigrant parents are “losers” for not being as successful as Jack or Wang and using “coming to America” as an excuse for their failure in China. You could say to the immigrants, if Jack could succeed in China, then what is their excuse for coming to America? They are real losers!

Don’t use specific extreme examples to explain these things. It’s about the larger trend and average statistics, which CLEARLY show that East Asians have VERY hard time doing anything influential in America besides opening Chinese restaurants, immigration clinics, or being mid-level at most at white dominated firms (in which case they still have to play by white rules).

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Yeah but we should have a choice of whether we want to work for white bosses and deal with a glass ceiling in America, or go back to Asia and work for Asian bosses and be closer to our culture. That’s my point, the immigrants had this option, the ABCs don’t.

Some people would rather be “butt of a phoenix” than “head of a chicken”. That’s personal preference. But parents who want to be the “phoenix butts” should not just condemn their children to be “phoenix butts” too, but leave them that choice.

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Let’s see, another search for “partner” at Goldman sachs – again (LinkedIn), very few Asian names to start with, and the ones are in Hong Kong, Japan, or Singapore.

Why is this?

Do I need to go through every company for you? Shall we try Credit Suisse, Morgan Stanley, Bank of New York Mellon, Bank of America, down the list?

Maybe CA is better. In that case, ambitious ABCs should def move to California at the very least if they want to stay in USA.

It’s not about extreme examples, its about the average statistics. The fact that you have trouble listing me 5 Asian-Americans who are famous/successful in non-IT/medical sectors is extremely telling. Given how hard Asians work it’s very weird that there aren’t even 5 famous ones that people can name off the top of their head.

The fact that Asian-Americans here (guys, ambitious career types) have no real hero to look up in the USA is a problem isn’t it? Name me one Asian-American figure who actually is alpha in the boardroom? In fact, I’ll name you one – there is one Blackstone partner called Chinh Chu who is somewhat older than us (probably), so he was of the previous immigration wave from Vietnam. Name me an awesome kickass Asian-American banker for instance, or someone who runs their own PE fund?

Even some of the more “famous” ones we know like “Gary Locke” or “Elaine Chao” are more “symbolic” than anything and don’t have any real decision making power in their fields. Name me an Asian-American CEO in America who has as much charisma as say Jack Ma or even 30% of Jack Ma? Why is that?

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And activism w/o relating to the resources in Asia, to think that you can just “carve out” a niche in the USA for Asian Americans, is not realistic, IMO.

I’ve tried being aggressive and confident in white circles. It doesn’t work for most people. Even if you speak the most you’ll just end up looking desperate. Maybe it’s subconscious, but people have a preference for speaking with people who are most like them, and unfortunattely people have not come to the point where they ignore physical appearance and ethnicity when socializing and in life.

Someone said it before, even amongst Asians, Asian-Americans are in the minority.

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Most of them are doing business related to Asia, not doing purely USA related business. You’ll rarely find an Asian American who is in charge of American or European – only related biz. Which still means you have to know your culture/language.

Name some, let’s see their backgrounds and who they are.

And even if they are, do they really call the shots or are they working under white people (junior partners, etc…)?

Let’s look at Skadden if you want to discuss law firms. Look at their web page. A significant majority of the lawyers there with Chinese last names are in HK, Shanghai or Beijing. Why do you think that is?

So start naming some names and then let’s talk. Back up your talk with facts.

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I’m not talking about doing well with women. There’s more in life than that. I’m not really referring to dating “success” here. I’m talking about making it up in their careers, leading and training people below them. Especially in careers that are not medicine or IT (again, even in medicine – do you know any Asians who are baller and not only do surgery, but actively get their voices out, speak at conferences, etc…)? I love what I do and I have put in a ton of time into my career.

Indians aren’t in the same boat as East Asians. They look different, different culture, way of talking, India has very pro-democratic gov’t, etc… I’m talking about East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Korea, etc… this type of appearance). There are many success Indians in tech, finance, etc… Why not many East Asians at all?

Name me 5 East Asians who dominate in finance, law, politics, or entertainment, or even authors?. Who are actually in charge and can make decisions. Who are at least say managing director / partner level at some company (many companies have many managing partners / directors / sales peoples so it shouldn’t be hard to find these people if you’re right)

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Arcterex117 – can you give us a list of 5 examples of Asian Americans who have money, prestige, status, career progress, and social clout (preferably males – as females can easily marry into white family)? Outside of tech or IT. Not Asians who have ties to Asia – but pure Asian-Americans? Everyone can assess how “successful” these people are themselves and whether or not this is the type of success we want.

For all Asian-Americans (especially Chinese) – the more you learn your native language, the more you will find your dignity coming back

“Split society”? What are you smoking?

We’ve tried spending years trying to assimilate and where has it gotten us? They’ve destroyed Asian image everywhere and done nothing to improve our image.

Your strategy will never work. Because you don’t see reality. But that’s ok, enough people see it already.

No need to justify and find excuses for what it all is, blatant racism and disrespect for Asian-Americans. A-As were never, and will never, be considered true Americans, which they mean to be “white americans”.

If you can’t see this I see no point wasting time with you.

What what’s been going on right now in USA, how do you think this’ll affect Asian Americans?

If in the unlikely scenario we really get interned like the Japanese in camps then you sacrifice your life to fight for your dignity, not call top bunk you coward.

Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

If people are like you then A-As in America have zero chance of every doing anything. I hope you change your attitude.

Asians and their parents in America need to understand how WHITE people think about Asians, not what you yourselves think about Asians.

China will never bow to America. We’ve been humiliated for too long. Enough is enough.

Asians and their parents in America need to understand how WHITE people think about Asians, not what you yourselves think about Asians.

Even if Chinese become USA passport holders doesn’t mean your political clout increases. The gov’t will find a way to prevent Asians from increasing their clout – USA was never meant to be a heaven for Asians. It’s implicitly a white person’s land, not Asians.

You cannot keep playing a white person’s game using white man’s rules. You can never win (unless there is suddently a lot of Chinese in Washington DC and Asian-Americans start making the rules – which will never happen I guarantee you – whites are fully aware of this)

Don’t be so naive to believe that white people won’t restrict immigration from China.

People need to realize that white people forever see you as outsiders. So focus on making Asia better and ultimately going back or at least sending kids back so they grow up “Asian”.

For all Asian-Americans (especially Chinese) – the more you learn your native language, the more you will find your dignity coming back

Exactly. Why should we give a fuck whether or not others can understand us?

What benefit is there to try to blend in and assimilate? It’s not possible. I can guarantee you.

For all Asian-Americans (especially Chinese) – the more you learn your native language, the more you will find your dignity coming back

Sorry my message meant all Asians, using Chinese as an example)

For all Asian-Americans (especially Chinese) – the more you learn your native language, the more you will find your dignity coming back

Focusing on excluding whites will only result in backlash and negativity.

Um, being nice and inclusive to whites will work? Haven’t we been doing this all along? How has it been working?

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

Language has to be reflexive. Like riding a bike – muscle memory. It has be in unconscious memory, if you have to think about using a word then it’s too slow.

3000 most commonly used Chinese characters (link) – great place to start learning.

Read as many Chinese articles online as you can is a great way to learn. Start watching Chinese TV shows on youtube – recommend 欢乐颂 which is a very popular show that debuted last year

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

Yes, but the issue isn’t how standard the mandarin is, the issue is whether you know the words and the culture and the vocabulary to fully express yourself in Chinese so that Chinese people treat you as one of their own

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

The inequality amongst Chinese people that you purportedly suffered is not the same thing as inequality between white people and Asians in America. I would much rather suffer with my same people than be in white man’s land, and I’m sure most Asian-Americans would too.

Plus, your ancestors may have suffered, but you still came to America, so you achieved your dream. Why prevent us from achieving our dream and having a life of meaning, inclusion, and purpose?

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That’s their problem, not the kids. Those parents that can’t face up to the truth are cowards. Rather than bravely facing the truth and accepting reality they screw the next generation even more.

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

You can’t avoid connecting with your roots. Trust me. If there was an easier way I wouldn’t have written the article. America is SUPPOSED to be land of immigrants but in reality it’s a land for white immigrants. That’s reality. Sooner people realize the better. And it won’t change, unless Asians > 50% of the population. But the gov’t realizes this and won’t let this happen. Trust me.

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But none of these micro-reactions make you better off. at all. It only highlights how weak the Asians are in a white world. I don’t want to hurt white people on an individual basis – that’s pretty petty. I rather find ways to fight white supremacy on an institutional level.

Gotta start by connecting with people in China, connecting with your culture, using money and markets to improve Asia’s status in the world, make China stronger, make Asians richer, make Asians more united, start boycotting businesses of white racists, start organizing massive protests. Start increasing awareness. Have asians hire more asians, even in the USA, at expense of whites.

The laws are made by white people. Anytime you figure out a loophole and use it, they can just change it so you can’t use it anymore. They are not on our side, I can guarantee you that. No need to play this game using white person’s rules. You are trying to fight a battle on their turf, playing by their rules. This won’t lead to anything.

And so it begins. Trump to start publishing a weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants.

Fuck white privilege. Topple it.

And so it begins. Trump to start publishing a weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants.

The writing is already on the wall.

No point in ever believing whites care about anyone but themselves.

Just take a look at KKK forum called Stormfront if you want to see how whites really think.

The only way to fight against white supremacy is by force and action. Not by playing nice and hoping things will get better.

I don’t hope this is the case, but I think we are moving towards global war between China and the USA w/ Russia involved too.

White supremacy has been here for too long. Time to change the order.

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

I applaud and admire your parents. They are doing the right thing. But I for one know parents who basically “abandon” their elder parents in China b/c they can’t get enough of America and the clean air. They also speak broken English to their kids to Practice their English rather than let kids practice their Chinese.

It sounds like your parents are unique – so we should all strive to be more openminded like your parents. Happy Lunar new Year!

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

What I don’t like is many Chinese parent’s attitudes. They are truly getting the best of both worlds in America – they are not just “surviving” like the ABCs – they have cultural circles they fit in even in America and prevents them from seeing racism like ABCs do on a daily basis. Yet they cannot find the goodness in their hearts to believe their sons and daughters about the truth of America. And to help the next generation solve these problems. And many of these parents leave their elder parents back in China and don’t take care of them. They are the most selfish generation, sacrificing the elder and the young so that they can get the best of both worlds.

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

“This is similar to me not being able to get into Harvard (I wouldn’t of gotten in even if I was white, I think I would have if I was another minority :)) or an ivy league grad school program. I don’t blame my parents for me not getting into Harvard. I blame myself. I didn’t get it done. I didn’t study hard enough in HS. I didn’t get a 4.0. I didn’t get a 36 on my ACT. I didn’t get a 800 on my GMAT. I feel the same way about my language skills. The bottom line is that I didn’t get it done and I have no one to blame except myself.”

Keep thinking like this and you’ll always think everything is your fault, even when white boys and black boys who don’t get 1600 on their SAT, 4.0 GPA, or 36 on their ACT can easily get into Harvard and other ivy league schools.

You’re really missing the forest for the trees. Until you better understand that whites simply don’t view Asians as their own and never will, you will always think “it’s your fault”, when it’s not. Open your eyes. There are far less qualified whites than you who make it far higher in corporate law or finance or whatever.

Call it out for what it is: whites are racist and want this nation to be theirs.

There’s nothing you can do in the USA that can change this. You have to use the power of China and your own culture to start using media and the internet to destroy the white man’s image. There will never be true peace between the races. You better accept this sooner or later.

A racist, scumbag white president called Trump was able to win a fucken election in 2017 for being a bigot, insulting Muslims, women, minorities and disabled. What does that tell you about the general sentiment in this country regarding minorities and Asian-Americans? Only an idiot would think that things would change. The writing is still on the wall. You honestly think they will let Asians get any type of power?

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

It’s not just a matter of “moving on”. The kids that got screwed by their parents’ blind devotion to the west have to suffer for life. You can’t get culturally assimilated beyond a certain age what do you not understand about this.

And what are the parents doing about it?

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

That’s meaningless. Many Asians already work smart on their career, eat right, etc… It’s impossible to not be resentful living in 95% white society if you have any degree of self-respect as an Asian male. The environment is the issue, not ourselves.

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

“Nickel and diming someone who had nothing to do with the initial bad experience will only make Asians look bad.”

But that’s exactly what white people do with Asians. They see a few Asians who are nerdy and put all Asians in the “no leadership category”. Is that fair? Why do you always give benefit of the doubt to whites and blame yourself for things that aren’t really your fault?

Call it out for what it is: whites are trying to subjugate Asian males and suppress all minorities from having influence (including blacks!)

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

You mentioned that when you told your parents you wanted to move out of the Mid-west they thought you were a loser for not facing the challenges and rising above it? So do you agree with them? Is it all your fault? Do they have any fault in this for not being able to see the situation from your perspective?

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

You could also argue that the parents are chickenshit to reject their children’s pain to preserve their own face, which isn’t worth much.

It’s not about blaming them for bringing kids to America, but for them purposely blinding themselves to reality once they get here and downplay their Children’s pain and not emphasizing with them. Some parents are cowards. Just look on wenxuecheng. There are good parents too, but they are in the minority.

Many parents never really cared about the kids and just want to lives a great life in the USA in their Chinese circle free from discrimination while enjoying the good parts of America. the parents want to best of both worlds. Many don’t even take care of THEIR parents who are elders back in China. So don’t talk to me about 孝顺父母 and all that, because these parents don’t even 孝顺 their parents back in China. It’s these immigrant parents who are cowards and chickenshit b/c they are afraid to face reality and do their part. They just want to enjoy their life, their kids or elder parents be damned.

The kids are innocent victims of parent’s blind belief that Western society has no downside and all upside. But the kids pay the price for that, not the parents.

And what did the parents put up with? They were poor, but struggled with everyone. They never had to experience the loneliness of ABCs (fighting against a whole society who wants to destroy their image). I rather be damn poor, but struggle with everyone and hope for a day that I am rich, rather than to be stuck between two culture being nobody and empty all my life.

Many of these parents who immigrated here didn’t have to put up with THAT much suffering in the first place. They could have survived had they lived in China as well. It wasn’t like they were starving to death. They were just greedy and wanted more, rather than being satisfied with what they had. It’s that simple. And now they tell us to just be “satisfied with what we have.” I find that ironic and dishonest. They couldn’t do it, why should we?

You need to get your head out of this “filial piety” mentality and start addressing the facts.

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

Writing is the most difficult and actually unnecessary. even most places in China type now. So as long as you can read, type, listen, and speak it’s fine.

The best way to learn Chinese is to memorize the dictionary, and then spend 4-5 hours a day reading nothing but Chinese (news, blogs, etc…) and listening to Chinese broadcasts on the web (like Youtube). This isa ssuming you aren’t in China right now. Having the right environment can accelerate things greatly.

You have to be hungry enough to do it. There is no short-cut

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

Yep those parents that use their kids to practice English are disgusting.

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

Yeah you’re right you can take it out on white people, but you are still vastly outnumbered and I don’t want to keep fighting this uphill battle where it’s always, statistically speaking, like 50 whites against 1 Asian.

You can take out your anger on the whites, but everything is on their side. The cops are on their side. The judges are on their side, etc….

White people, deep down inside, feel this country is built for white people and will consciously or subconsciously reject any action by “foreigners” to assert power or infeluence in their country. Forget what the constitution says.

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

These things don’t make you better off. Just increases hate and anger. I prefer to do things that make me better off, instead of dragging some white people lower (may be entertaining, but doesn’t get me further on my life goals).

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

I hated Chinese school when I came here too. But after I became an adult I was so damn tired of living a second-class citizen, that I would rather go through the brambles and pain of relearning Chinese as much as I can RATHER THAN being a second-class citizen to whites, many of whom achieved far less than I have and yet have better lives simply for being white. Fuck that. I will assert my identity and culture at any cost. There is no worse pain than being second class to a bunch of people who don’t deserve that status. To me, that is even worse than death.

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

And another main issue is that beyond puberty, you CANNOT learn Chinese as native as someone from China. But as an ABC with a Chinese face, that’s the standard you are up against – the glass is always half empty when it comes to ABCs and their culture – you have to know everything to be accepted – you don’t get the “White person” privilege of saying a few Chinese words and becoming an instant celebrity.

My point is: even if you wanted to learn chinese from Chinese school while in AMerica, that is sorely not enough to really become fluent in Chinese. Period. Your situation won’t be better than it is now. The only way that was to change was if you spend some childhood/teenage years in China.

So if parents didn’t force their kids to learn Chinese during the critical language acquisition period and that leads to children being awkward and feeling “out of place” everywhere, then yes how are they not to blame? How are the kids supposed to know this at such an early age?

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

That’s not your fault, Abc1986. No Chinese kid, placed in an English speaking environment, would understand, at the an early age, the future importance of learning Chinese or the situations that he would face as an adult. B/c kids cannot think that much or that far – they are immature. Put them in any environment and they will learn the local stuff really quickly – kids are great at imitating.

But whether or not that environment, ultimately, is a good one for the kids to be in, when they grow up, comes down to the SOCIAL JUDGEMENT of the adult who is in charge of raising the kid. The adult should be aware of these things and make sure the kids are placed in an environment that will facilitate their social development not only as kids but adults.

So if I had a kid right now, and I purposely put him in Africa or the Middle East – and blind myself to the reality that an Asian adult won’t fit in in the future in those countries – am I free of responsibility? (Answer: No)

Whether or not there is “Chinese school” is irrelevant here. Chinese school is NOT enough to make a child fluent in Chinese by any means. It’s nothing more than the parents projecting their cultural tensions onto the child, w/o any care in the world as to how the child feels, torn between two cultures and ultimately, becoming part of neither.

At what point do you take responsibility for your own actions vs blaming your parents?

No kid enjoys Chinese school, you can bet on that. The two hours in Chinese school are also not sufficient to learn Chinese as well as a native Chinese – who spends 24/7/365 immersed in the language. Chinese school is just Chinese parents putting on a show.

The real issue is that going to Chinese school in itself is an unnatural act. As parents, you are purposely putting the kid in a Western environment where he can only get exposure to English, yet you are forcing him to learn an arcane language – Chinese – simply because he is that ethnicity. It’s extremely conflicting – parents are basically projecting their cultural tensions onto the child. Parents are basically saying – I want my kids to be white, but no, they still have to preserve their culture. This is expecting too much and puts undue pressure on the kids.

I’ve found that most parents do NOT want their children to actually learn too much Chinese in Chinese school. Even though they send them there, the main point is to pretend to “preserve some culture”. If the kid really wanted to learn Chinese and move back to Asia (hypothetically), the parents would be like: “no son/daughter, we want you to assimilate. America is your home”. Chinese school is just a “show” put on by the parents (parents mainly love to use their kids to compare to other parents’ kids, so if Parent A’s child is in Chinese school, parent B may feel pressured to send his kids to Chinese school as well as to not “lose” to parent A. Note, however, no one is really caring about what’s best for the child. The parents’ “Face”, to them, is more important – they may not admit this but they act subconsciously on it). If parents really wanted their kids to be Chinese, they would keep them in China.

Basically, the line between personal responsibility and blaming parents boils down to this question:

Did you have a choice in being removed from your natural cultural habitat, or did you play a role in the choice?

For an international student who chooses to come to the USA on his own, he takes responsibility for any
discrimination that he encounters. He made the choice.

But if the parents force the children to come at an early age w/o any regard for how Western culture treats Asian-Americans (b/c they are removing the kids from their natural environment), and parents take NO effort to understand it better, then yes, I believe the parents shoulder a major part of the responsibility. Kids are too young to understand and the parents, as the adults, should think about not only their children’s intellectual (grades) progression, but also social development. Especially given native language acquisition is really only possible before 18 years old.

As I said many times, I don’t blame some parents for coming to the USA b/c they might not have known better. But the real issue is WHY then do they BLIND themselves to the reality of what their kids go through after they come to America? Why aren’t they emphatic to their kids? To protect their own dignity? Then that’s selfish. This dignity isn’t worth much compared to the cultural isolation their kids face down the line.

I know many enlightened or woke parents who make sure their kids finish a part of their schooling in China. So there are responsible parents out there, and I applaud them.

But I’m 30, and even if I accept the reality that my parent’s decisions may have screwed me over, I still work damn hard to improving my Chinese. For starters, I memorized / went thru a standard Chinese dictionary. So by no means am I just complaining and not doing much. I have action behind my words. But the real situation with the parents and their responsibilities needs to be laid out clearly. They cannot escape due blame for putting many kids in very awkward situations.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

No kid enjoys Chinese school, you can bet on that. The two hours in Chinese school are also not sufficient to learn Chinese as well as a native Chinese – who spends 24/7/365 immersed in the language.

The real issue is that going to Chinese school in itself is an unnatural act. As parents, you are purposely putting the kid in a Western environment where he can also get exposure to English, yet you are forcing him to learn an arcane language – Chinese – simply because he is that ethnicity. It’s extremely conflicting – parents are basically projecting their cultural tensions onto the child.

I’ve found that most parents do NOT want their children to actually learn too much Chinese in Chinese school. Even though they send them there, the main point is to pretend to “preserve some culture”. If the kid really wanted to learn Chinese and move back to Asia (hypothetically), the parents would be like: “no son/daughter, we want you to assimilate. America is your home”.

Basically, the line between personal responsibility and blaming parents boils down to this question: Did you have a choice in being removed from your natural cultural habitat, or did you play a role in the choice?

For an international student who chooses to come to the USA on his own, he takes responsibility for any discrimination that he encounters. He made the choice.

But if the parents force the children to come at an early age w/o any regard for how Western culture treats Asian-Americans, and parents take NO effort to understand it better, then yes, I believe the parents shoulder a major part of the responsibility. Kids are too young to understand and the parents, as the adults, should think about not only their children’s intellectual (grades) progression, but also social development. Especially given native language acquisition is really only possible before 18 years old.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Abc1986,

I just don’t agree with one sentence in your answer, “In the US you have the opportunity to be fluent in Chinese and to learn about Chinese culture.”

This is the kicker.

You cannot become fluent in Chinese and Chinese culture by living in the USA. You need the environmental immersion to be as fluent as the natives. And as a person with a Chinese face, you are expected to be as fluent as the natives. It’s a double standard. It’s unfair. But that’s why we are discussing this.

Moreover, fluency only occurs before puberty and teenage years. After the teenage years no matter how much you learn you will never be fluent.

That’s why it is parent’s responsibility to be aware of this and place their children in environments where they can pick up this fluency, given the fact the kids are Chinese. Small kids don’t have this awareness. It is definitely the parent’s responsibility.

If a person could become fluent by just learning some Chinese in America w/o ever having to be in China, then ABCs would have no issues and I would not have wrote that article. If I could, at 30 years old, be totally fluent just by learning myself, I would not have wrote the article.

It’s unfortunately, but there is only a small window of time for cultural and language acquisition and once you miss it, it’s really game over (or very, very hard). It happens that this period of time is before children gain full independence from their parents (before teenage years). Hence, parents should have responsibility to expose children to their natural culture and not let them miss this window.

Did you ever read the story about the girl who grew up with wolves? Beyond 12 or 13 if she doesn’t learn human language she will never learn it like a human. So are you saying the parents who put her with wolves has no responsiblity?

In other words, a crucial part of the children’s cultural destiny lies with the parent realizing this and putting the child in a positive environment conducive to his future growth as an adult.

Many parents are definitely NOT free of responsibility here.

Asian social circles are too inclusive to non-Asians. And a discussion on neutral attitudes

No, even most white guys who want to learn the culture and language are doing so b/c they know they get higher status in Asia. They aren’t in it b/c they respect the culture fundamentally.

We should not give these people any type of exceptions unless they prove themselves differently.

Asian social circles are too inclusive to non-Asians. And a discussion on neutral attitudes

Excellent, excellent post. Goes back to what I kept saying about Asian-Americans having no barriers to entry. We need to start speaking our language and making those whites that want to take advantage of us feel unwelcome, as they deserve to feel

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

alizila,

Thanks for your very thoughtful comments.

From what I’ve seen, even if the Chinese international students plan to stay in the USA, and often have non-Chinese colleagues, they have it way better than the ABCs b/c they always have the option of making deeper friends in the Chinese circle or pursue work/life back in China, especially given how China is modernizing and growing year by year. For them, they can get the “best of both worlds” – the USA is at their disposal, they can stay should they wish, but so is China, they are 100% fluent in the language and the culture, while it may be different, could be easily learned (maybe takes a few years adjusting). In fact, most of the international students from China have the best combination of social life, cultural inclusiveness, and work opportunities, even in America (b/c many companies also prefer people who can speak Mandarin so they have advantage there over ABCs as well). And as I said many times before, these international students may not “feel” the impact of racism against them b/c they can go back to their Chinese circle anytime they want, where they do not face any discrimination in social life, dating, or careers. Having this option to “hide from discrimination” prevents them from feeling the loneliness and despair that ABCs (who cannot hide anywhere) have. They also can tolerate any racism they feel better b/c they feel like “they made a choice to come here” – they are in control of their lives. ABCs didn’t choose to come here at all, and it looks like there are many ABCs who, if they were from China, would not be that 崇洋媚外 and would not even come to America if they had that choice. They were forced here by parents. That’s the key difference

My main message is to parents who want their children to grow up in the United States, but their kids have Asian faces. That doesn’t work anymore. American white doesn’t recognize even ABCs as “true Americans” and most ABCs have trouble fitting in with the white circle. Yet they ALSO have trouble fitting in with the Chinese international students circle. They are really out of circles, to be honest. I’ve seen some ABCs try to hangout with Koreans but Koreans are very tight-knit and most Koreans, even if they grew up here, are very fluent in Korean so they speak Korean all the time. ABCs don’t have a true circle. And having a circle is important. Anyone who says it’s not important is pretty much lying to themselves.

The ABCs are the most unfortunate amongst these Asian groups b/c despite spending time in America, they never really gained the acceptance from the West, yet lost their Chinese heritage. Through nothing they did on their own – I find that extremely unfortunate, and quite frankly. very unfair. You can say that parents don’t have responsibility but I find many Chinese parent’s blind belief in the “western dream” and not providing their children the resources to maintain their Chinese as the key issue. I don’t think parents are without responsibility, especially when the kids are small and are not aware of these issues. Parents definitely have responsibility to realize these things and to consider their child’s future, ESPECIALLY when they are responsible for bringing their kids OUT OF China (which is their natural environment) to Western, where most people are not like them. Korean parents do a far better job of this than Chinese parents as a whole. I don’t see any advantages that ABCs have whatsoever. I haven’t truly seen any ABC who has been really outstanding in business or work in corporations or any industries except doctors and programming. Besides, even in medicine and IT, Asians are still the workers, very rarely the leaders. You rarely see an ABC doctor making a speech at some medicine conference, even though many ABCs in medicine. From the point of view of an ABC, how can they feel happy, after working so many years and attending the best universities, only to face the glass ceiling in most places simply b/c of their skin color, and to see less hardworking white people and even international Chinese students having in general, more satisfying lives? And to make matters worse, when they complain, their parents don’t even try understanding them. Does anyone think from the perspective of the ABCs? Sometimes I really wake up everyday and feel that if I don’t improve my Chinese and keep learning my culture my future is very bleak. This is very far from the “American dream” that my parents were hoping for.

I would like to reach out to big Chinese CEOs, but how can we do this? For example, I think Wang Jianlin and Jack Ma are two perfect people to be able to help improve Asian image across the globe. Both are investing in media and film companies – why not require every western film that tries to screen in China (western film makers really need our big Chinese box office now) to have at least 1 super handsome male actor in a key role as a condition for entering the Chinese market? I think this would definitely work, and over time Chinese image will go up significantly. Maybe Jack Ma and Wang Jianlin aren’t aware of the issues that overseas Chinese face, but maybe it’s our time to make this known to them? Maybe we should write Chinese articles directly addressed to Chinese business people urging everyone to start an organization that aims to improve image for Chinese (and Asians) cross the globe?

Regardless, we need to understand each other, speak more, work together (instead of fighting) and get our voices heard more on Chinese media, where the people who have resources to be able to help this cause can hear us.

Any suggestions?

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

The only advantage in my view of a USA education is 1) the emphasis on individuality and outward expression, 2) less test taking pressure, and 3) you learn authentic English.

But that is all overshadowed by the heavy price of forgetting all your Chinese and growing up w/o racial discrimination. I don’t think it’s worth it.

Also, a person with Chinese face doesn’t need to speak perfect English – b/c even if you do speak perfect English, white americans won’t treat you as real Americans. So what’s the point?

What are the Pros of being an AM?

Well, according to the law of karma what you reincarnate in the future as has nothing to do with luck, but by the quality of your actions in your current life. So karma says do good and you will reincarnate into whatever race is dominant at that time, be mean to others and you will reincarnate lower on the ladder….

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

I hope this is the trend going forward. But from what I see in this industry as a whole, the Asians who are moving up and gaining grounds tend also to be involved directly with Asian projects or companies, even if they are in America office. So it is still an advantage to know your own culture even if you stay in USA, b/c many USA companies want to expand in China or Asia.

If you parse that out, and look at the number of Asians in finance/investing who focus solely on USA projects (not Asia at all), moving up beyond an associate or something becomes pretty hard, as the situation stands now.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

I applaud you for dating an Asian. Keep it up, we need more of this.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

翻篇了,要吐槽去文学城和那几位固步自封的父母共勉去吧。

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

Haha I get your view here, but by doing / acting like us, we are screwing them up, but does it make us better? How can we make ourselves better in the process?

What are the Pros of being an AM?

Depends on whether or not the WM used his privilege kindly or used his privilege to shit on others :). There are things worse than an AM too 🙂

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

C – haha. You make a great point, I admit.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

I self-identify as a Chinese that happens to grow up in America 🙂 Not as Chinese-American 🙂

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

I understand you. I appreciate your sincere comments. It’s not easy, sometimes I tend to overreact (still some Western imprint in me), but you are right about importance of not being cocky.

But I disagree with your conclusion that your Western education in China is equivalent to a western education. The western education and cultural acclimation I’m, and other ABCs refer to, is not learned from formal courses at school. You can learn a lot of Western philosophy and classics in college but there is an important element of USA / western culture of rugged individualism you can only learn by going to school with western peers, speaking English, social activities outside classes in English, and just being around an environment where is all Western, all English. I think caution against you confusing “formal western education” with growing up in the West – which is completely different thing. Using your own words, I think you could consider the fact that you shouldn’t be too cocky in your knowledge of the west either – taking a few courses in western education is very different from growing up in a western environment – many things cannot be learned inside the classroom.

Better education does not mean better / deeper understanding of how a country works. I think you are still operating under Chinese mentality of over-emphasizing formal education over informal cultural acclimation 🙂

But I think this discussion is healthy. Both sides can learn something, as long as you remain openmineded.

The truth about the ABC situation and why it’s VERY DIFFERENT from the “regular discrimination” in China and needs more attention from all Chinese people, parents or kids

That’s exactly what’s going on. Systemic failure of the Chinese population in America and many people in China think it is just ABCs who are being lazy themselves and just bitching. They think there is nothing evil about the system that tries to push Asians down no matter what. Just make these people experience what it feels like to be an ABC (especially not to handsome ABC guy) for about 6 months and they will know EXACTLY what we are referring to.

What are the Pros of being an AM?

Being an AM is a great way to burn of negative karma from previous lives so that your future lives can be very comfortable 🙂 🙂 if you believe in reincarnation haha that’s a positive…

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

USA. But I plan to look for jobs in HK, BJ, and Shanghai, which I am doing at the moment.

The truth about the ABC situation and why it’s VERY DIFFERENT from the “regular discrimination” in China and needs more attention from all Chinese people, parents or kids

You are exactly right. These Chinese people attack the fact that I don’t understand Chinese culture, but why are they using Chinese culture in a Western world? It shows they have zero idea what’s going on.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

To be 华 you still have to have Yellow Face. That’s just the way it is. 92% of China is 汉族. You happen to be Han, so you get the benefit of the majority. Unless you are in 新疆, but obviously people in Xinjiang have no social power in main China as you may very well know. So you can compare ABC to people from Xinjiang if that helps you better appreciate what the circumstance is like. ABC is probably even smaller than Xinjiang in terms of population %.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

I don’t do programming. Finance/investing is where I’m at. Very different industries – no wonder why you don’t understand where I come from. Computer science is the only area in the USA where Asians are somewhat OK.

The truth about the ABC situation and why it’s VERY DIFFERENT from the “regular discrimination” in China and needs more attention from all Chinese people, parents or kids

What I find the most strange is that most chinese people can’t admit they don’t know the West, but only point out when Westerner or someone like ABC don’t understand China. It’s the same logic. Just selfish arrogance – I’m lucky to be Chinese so why should I care about you? This type of thinking. Doesn’t help the chinese people 团结. Bottom line is also that they just don’t really care too much b/c they are not the victims of cultural isolation themselves.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Just look at what you are trying to do? It’s not that I like to criticize people – but sometimes what you say just is paradoxical and selfish. You blaming me for not learning Chinese culture – why don’t you tell me, how the hell am I supposed to learn all of Chinese culture if I was never given opportunity to learn this in school? Is this my fault? I am already doing what I can do – instead of encouraging me and others to do the same you are criticizing me for still not doing enough. What the hell can I do?

What do you recommend I do now? Go back to middle school in China and spend another 12 years of my life learning Chinese culture?

Why are you trying to push me out? That’s the problem with you Chinese people – you don’t understand what being an ABC is like and then you help to push ABC away from Chinese culture rather than encouraging us.

If the Chinese civilization is not defined by facial feature or skin color then what other civilization follows the Chinese culture? Why aren’t there other civilizations that adhere to the Chinese culture? Something wrong with your analysis here. There is bonding between the yellow people (Han Zu) and b/c you are part of that you feel you can criticize people who don’t have that luxury.

Stilted arrogance on your part. Instead of blaming ABCs for not learning the culture (b/c how could they? they never had the environment) you should be encouraging people. But it’s natural – you only think about yourself.

You also think you know about the western culture even though you don’t. That’s the problem with too many Chinese people – they think they know everything about the West despite not having received Western education. They do not know their limitations.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

What strange logic you use here. Sure, 600 years is not a long time, but you and I and everyone else will be dead in 600 years. So what are you saying? Even if Chinese civilization takes over the USA in 600 years how can you guarantee you will 投胎 again into a Chinese person? What kind of logic is this? Do you think it comforts people when you tell them 600 years from now people things will be better? Clearly this is just 纸上谈兵

We don’t have time to wait 600 years unless you can guarantee we all reincarnate as a Chinese person to enjoy the fruits of China’s growth. Talk is cheap. You apparently like to say these things b/c you don’t sense the discrimination against you b/c you stay in the Chinese circles. And now you tell me learn all of Chinese class civilization – 没有语言环境这能做到?你自己都做不到, 如果你不在国内长大的话。You should be encouraging ABCs to learn Chinese, not arrogantly pointing out how the glass is half empty.

You don’t need to lecture me about learning Chinese culture. I can do that at my own pace in my own way. I was not lucky enough to grow up in China so I could not have learned it naturally, so don’t go around acting superior just b/c you got lucky to be able to go to school in China. I am doing the best I can given the cards I’ve been dealt and I am playing it pretty damn well with what I have. That’s all it matters.

I am confused b/c are you encouraging us to learn more about China or not? If so, why do you highlight the fact that we don’t belong? Why don’t you give more practical advice on how to learn Chinese culture? We never had the luxury of going to school in China like you, so you’ve already had a huge advantage that you don’t realize. You want me to go back to China and go to university there again? At my age? Is that practical? If not, what is your recommendatinon? Again, it’s clear you simply don’t understand what it is like to be an ABC, at all. Because you have this cultural belonging given to you by default.

You should be encouraging, not disparaging. What I am doing is helping the Chinese kids, not hurting anyone (besides a few stubborn parents’ egos)

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

What makes you think the US gov’t is not functioning as a good instrument of the white people? Trump’s victory suggests that white Americans like to keep the country white.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

I agree.

I think we have to teach the Asians to think like Jews or Indians: watch out for each other and adopt an “all or none attitude”. So if a company discriminates against one Asian, all the asians rise up and leave. If company promotes 1 asian, that asian should watch out for other asians and promote them fast, and hire new asians below. This type of thinking is what Indian Americans do.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Thanks for your comments. I agree, I like debate about this, I think we should work together, communicate with each other (all Asians in America should be more united – we should think like Jews – watch out for one another). I like debate, we should debate, and we shouldn’t let disagreement blind us to the fact we have a common interest to fight against white racism.

You have to teach Asians to think like Jews – watch out for each other and adopt an “all or none attitude”. So if a company discriminates against one Asian, all the asians rise up. If company promotes 1 asian, that asian should watch out for other asians and promote them fast, and hire new asians below. This type of thinking is what Indian Americans do.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

You are the naive one here. You think you can put yourself on equal footing with the whites just b/c you think you are on equal footing with them? If that was so easy then why haven’t any country defeated the USA yet? Based on your logic, any black person or latino can conquer the USA just by believing that they are on “equal footing” with whites? Has this worked? if it were so easy won’t you think someone would have done it?” How can 1 person defeat 100 people just b/c he thinks he can? If it’s so easy to do it why don’t you demonstrate for us and make yourself the next President of USA after Trump in 2020?

Talk is cheap man. If you haven’t even experienced what it feels like to be ABC you are not qualified to say: “it’s easy”.

Just like some women are victims of rape. So just b/c I haven’t experienced being raped, I can tell rape victims – “you got raped b/c it’s your own problem. Stand up for yourself.”

That’s your incorrect logic.

If it’s so easy, why don’t you become the first Chinese – American president for 2020 and prove to me that it’s all in our heads? Don’t tell other people to be brave – why don’t you be brave yourself if it’s so easy?

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

How the fuck do you “Make enough money” when the best opportunities in America go to white people and best opportunities in China go to natives? HOw the fuck does an ABC make money and gain power? Why don’t you tell me are there any ABCs on Capitol Hill or Wall Street that are actually powerful? There aren’t any. So obviously if it was easy to do don’t you think many ABCs would already have done it?

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

What is the point of your useless post here? How does anything you say have anything to do with the ABC problem, especially the subtle racial discrimination against ABC males? So basically you’re just talking about your feminism, aren’t you? What the fuck that have to do with the ABC racial issue, especially for guys? Are you an ABC? No. So how do you know white people treat you the same as ABC? Are you a male? No. How do you know white people treat you and an ABC male the same? What if your future kid in America is a male? Of course you don’t think about this – you’re selfish. You just want to date a white boy and not care about your own people. I’ve seen a lot of girls like you, especially those who come to the USA at your age.

Don’t make noise here if you can’t make sense. You’ve already lost so please go back to Wenxuecheng where you can mingle with those parents who choose not to admit reality. That’s where you belong.

Don’t talk to me about work experience. I’ve worked in both USA and China and I have a comparison of which one is better, no need to offer your limited and biased experience here. You do not represent the issues that people face here and by denying these issues you are actually helping white people. You are a race traitor, and you simply cannot accept the fact that the west isn’t the dream world you were tricked into believing. So grow up, and deal with it. China should ban you for being a traitor.

You have no logic. You telling us that ABCs don’t face an issue is the same thing as me telling rape victims that they have no one to blame but themselves. I would never do that, b/c I know there are types of discrimination like harassment and rape that I haven’t experienced, so I’m not qualified to talk about it. You keep sticking your nose into an issue that you have zero experience with. You do not understand the ABC experience at all, so keep your mouth shut.

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

Agreed, that would be great. CA should be considered by every single ABC here on this forum as a real option. We could build a community there. And use it to connect with the motherland.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

I understand your logic, but it won’t work in America.

B/c even if white people have frictional issues, Asians are too small in number to take advantage of it. Asians will never be 渔翁得利者. You can tell Asians to migrate here more, but you can bet the USA gov’t keeps a close eye on this and the moment Asians become a real threat to the whites, they will limit the migrations.

You can have babies like crazy but that won’t happen if the ABC girls always chooses to date white trash.

Also, it might take 200-300 years for the changes you mentioned to come into fruition. By asking us to wait this long, you’re basically telling ABCs to sacrifice our current lives.

America might be defeated but it don’t be by Asians. Asians will NEVER gain any power on white people’s land, sorry. That’s the error of your logic. Unless China directly beats the USA in military confrontation, which seems unlikely at this point. So your strategies may have worked in history, but that was b/c China was a first world power thousands of years ago and it could conquer other territories. It is no longer the first world power today, America still is. Although China is catching up.

As long as China cannot defeat the USA in military combat, Chinese faces will never have any influence or status in America. You can forget about it. USA is not stupid – that’s why the Dept of Defense spends trillions on defense and weapons to make sure the USA has the best weaponery. The stronger China becomes, the more USA will think Chinese is a threat and will ironically suppress the Chinese immigrants in America even more. You can trust me on that. Look what happened in WWII with the Japanese. To do anything, we need power, 枪杆子里出政权. That’s what ABCs need to understand. We need China’s help in this. The overseas immigrants and ABCs cannot do it alone.

However, even though we have disagreements – I am perfectly in agreement with you with our goal of making Chinese and Asians more influential in both the USA and globally. We just differ on how the get there. We should open-mindedly debate but make sure that we don’t get into 窝里斗 mentality , that would be a bit 目光短浅。

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

You may see ABCs trying to be all outgoing and talkative but that is a sign of LACK of confidence not true confidence. True confidence doesn’t need to the loudest talker in the room to get noticed. You noticed white guys don’t have to do that, but the Asians who want to assimilate try really hard and it backfires.

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What’s wrong with being too Chinese? Better than trying to imitate a white race that wants to shit on you all the time and you will never blend in with, and losing your real culture in the process.

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Does Weibo have job openings? LOL would love to work at a Chinese internet company!

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Abc1986, notice how I was pretty generous to this shuidashui until she started insulting me by saying I’m selfish and naive when she didn’t even bother seeing things objectively. She is the one being insecure. I know exactly where I stand on this. I go back to China frequently and while Chinese on average make a lot less here, everything costs less too, and even though people may not have as many “luxuries” as in the USA, most people are enjoying their lives, going on vacation a few times a year, traveling around the world, using the internet and ordering things online, driving cars, using Didi Chuxing (Chinese uber), starting small companies, going on dates, watching movies (many theaters superior to US threaters – they call them 4D or DMAX – Chinese version of IMAX), and getting shitfaced at night clubs. The country that struggled together 30 years ago is growing richer together today. Nobody walks around afraid or ashamed of who they are, unlike ABCs in the USA.

China today is not China 30 years ago. Many of our parents who came to the USA were poor at that time, but they were not much that much poorer than people around them – in other words, they were not “relatively” poor. They just go blindsided with the $ in America. Even if they stayed in China, most of them would could have lived. It wasn’t like if they didn’t come they would starve to death.

As I said before, I don’t blame parents for coming to the USA b/c they didn’t know better. But I do blame them for not listening and emphasizing with ABCs and thinking that they somehow, w/o even knowing english or hanging out with whites, know the true USA culture even better than their kids. That’s just stubborn. Call it out for what it is.

The parents have complete lack of emphathy for the plight of their ABC kids. You can get beat up by a white gang someone and your parents will say it was your fault – you don’t have good social skills. Their face is more important than anything. But that’s ok. As long as you know the truth and know what you have to do.

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

Yeah. the parents are looking out for themselves, not for their kids. They are using the kids as an excuse. But the parents’ actions show that they are indeed selfish.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

That’s their issue, their inability to adapt shouldn’t become the reason that we’ve missed out on learning about our culture.

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Many young people (below 18) in China today don’t want to come anymore (or at least grow up in America). They already know the truth. They can come after they grow up in China, and truly get the best of both worlds.

Yep – the truth is that parents don’t want to admit they made the wrong decision 🙂

Let’s spread the news, spread the truth. Chinese should realize that the West will never assimilate them. It’s not a question of how much they suffer in China. The issue is you have zero chance of assimilation in the West. So this is not really an option.

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For me, the pain is definitely worth it. When I picked up Chinese I found I found it far easier to date and it was only after I learned Chinese that I found my girlfriend who is now my wife. She is Chinese and she agrees with my views 🙂 She tells me that if I didn’t know Chinese she would never have come on a second date with me.

I guarantee many other ABCs will see options open up (dating, jobs, social life, etc) so much when they learn Chinese. In white society, if you don’t learn your own language, everything you do is 事倍功半。 it’s not worth it.

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Thanks TwoABCsData!

Yes you are 100% right. It’s not that I am encouraging parents to agree that Chinese culture is 100% great and not w/o flaws, but my key message is that as an ABC or anyone with Chinese genes, THERE IS NOT ALTERNATIVE. You CANNOT assimilate into western culture, period! No matter what you do.

Look at Trump’s inauguration today, even the thousands of people in the crowds – how many Asian faces to you see? Trump’s speech mentioned blacks and latinos, but never mentioned Asians.

White people will never let Asians make too much money or get too much influence or have too much respect in America. That’s the truth.

The sooner you realize that the better.

For ABCs, for us, learning Chinese can be painful. But what is our other option? I don’t see any.

美国归根到底就是人家白人的地盘儿。中国人在美国挣扎权利,地位,财富,等等,对白人来说,无异于直接夺权行为。他们肯定不会允许的。千万不要把白人想得太公道。 白人比谁都算得清楚。

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SF or LA is indeed better than the East Coast in general.

Kids need to grow up in environments where they are part of the majority in skin color and culture. Nothing more damaging to a person’s self esteem when they are the only minority in a white culture that loves to engage in subtle discrimination.

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The fact that they made the wrong decision is forgivable b/c they didn’t know better when they arrived. But my key point is that ABC parents, AFTER THEY ARRIVE, consciously blind themselves to the truth even when ABC kids tell them the reality. That’s their mistake. Not the coming to USA part – that I can forgive b/c they didn’t know better. But I can’t forgive the second part, where they blind themselves to the reality to protect their FACE even though it fucks up the next generation.

The truth about the ABC situation and why it’s VERY DIFFERENT from the “regular discrimination” in China and needs more attention from all Chinese people, parents or kids

I hope so thanks for the encouragement. Even in China where there will be own problems, I feel like I’m at least moving in the direction of hope, rather than staying in the USA.

notice trump didn’t even bother mentioning Asians in his speech today.

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

well said, I feel exactly same.

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

That’s it right there.

The truth about the ABC situation and why it’s VERY DIFFERENT from the “regular discrimination” in China and needs more attention from all Chinese people, parents or kids

He’s basically calling me a complainer and not using my Ivy Education to make a change.

Like making a change as an ABC is that easy. Isn’t that what I’m trying to do?

How do these parents know I don’t work hard? Is working hard incompatible with complaining or voicing your thoughts? Chinese parents just want every kid to keep their head down – that doesn’t fly in western society at all. That’s what they don’t get.

These parents just don’t get it. They think as long as you get an Ivy degree you can just be promoted to CEO tomorrow.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Stop reading statistics. Statistics are controlled and manipulated by white people. That’s your problem. Go out and experience the world and you will know the truth.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

I qualified my tone and language in my previous articles but that didn’t seem to get through to you.

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

That’s my point. This will never be our country no matter how much work we put into assimilating. It’s not possible based on the way we look.

If you’re ok with $200K but living in midwest, then that’s fine. Otherwise, you could try HK. English is ok there, but when other Chinese people meet you, you will not get the privilege of being “American”. They will expect you to speak native Chinese.

That’s why the ABC issue is such a big one and the earlier you recognize the better.

It’s Chinese women like shuidashui who hurt the ABC situation by because she comes to the states to embrace only the opportunities and marry the white men.

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You don’t stand on the side of ABCs, you don’t know anything about what ABCs go through, so don’t pretend. You are a Chinese immigrant blindly worshipping USA culture and want your kids to be white. 你这种心态我一眼就能看穿。Don’t waste my time anymore. 你不是看不起中国?你想当白人的狗?以后中国大使馆应该把你这中白眼儿狼加入黑名单。If you worship white people so much, don’t ever come back to China.

You only think from your POV where you are a woman. My article wasn’t about sexism, but about racism. Don’t confuse the two – you don’t understand either. And more specifically, ABC males. You cannot think from the POV of a true ABC with no cultural backup, so just stop commenting. You don’t know what you are talking about. Many people on this forum agree that you are too weird.

Did I just hurt your feelings? I’m sorry. That’s what you get for being selfish.

The truth about the ABC situation and why it’s VERY DIFFERENT from the “regular discrimination” in China and needs more attention from all Chinese people, parents or kids

Shuidashui is one of those Chinese girls who want to date a white man – she doesn’t know or care about ABCs at all. Look at how she talks about American culture and white people. Another blind worshipper. China doesn’t need race traitors like her.

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

If Trump and China truly get into some type of confrontation, you can bet all Chinese-faced people, whether ABC or not, will be discriminated against. American’s don’t care if you think you are ABC or CBC or what. They look at your face and instantly treat you all the same – as foreigners. That I can guarantee you. And both Xi and Trump are tough guys, so something between these two countries could very likely happen.

American was never Asians’ country and never will be. Unless China defeats America in a war and subjugates the US people. Then you will see Asian’s influence rise.

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

Exactly. Why should I put up with this crap? A-As in the USA, honestly speaking, if we don’t learn our language and join forces with Asia, are a hopeless group. White people will never let us have influence or power, give me a damn break.

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

And how will A-A ever have their own enclave with barrier to entry? We have no language advantage, no culture barrier, no nothings. Girls openly defect. We have no power, no money, no control over politics or media or anything – we are vastly outnumbered in population and cannot be understood by either our parents, those in Asia, and the whites. Do you realistically think Asian-Americans can carve out any type of clique on the white man’s land?

Parents reaction when you mentioned that you want to move back to Asia/or US ethnic enclave?

See? The problem is with the parent’s type of thinking. They want you to live their dream, not your dream. Yet they don’t know anything about the USA white culture.

Based on what you said previously about how your parents reacted to my post, I wonder if they called you a loser as well for trying to move out of the midwest?

That’s Chinese parents – they ignore the racial element of US society and think it’s exactly like China but with smaller population. If China if you make lots of money you can get wife easily, but in the USA, even if you make lots of money, your skin color puts you at a significant disadvantage compared to even less qualified whites. That’s not fair for you, and destroys your confidence. Did you parents ever think from your perspective? I didn’t think so.

If you want to please your parents and sacrifice your self-esteem, then listen to your parents. If you want to do what you want, then move wherever you want.

Parents don’t know anything. They are viewing you as a stock, not as person. They want to recoup their investment. Tell me who’s selfish.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Because if we beat up white guy we will go to jail. Do I need to tell you this personally? Are you this dumb?

ABCs also don’t have the population advantage. We are always in environments where we are 80 to 1 outnumbered by white people. The police are white, the courts are white, judges are white, everyone with authority is white.

What do you not understand about this?

Also, ABC females are traitors. They prefer to side with whites b/c they believe whites have more power and authority. Many of them voluntarily try to go with whites and become a white man’s prostitute.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

see, you still don’t understand do you? “Why do I even define myself as ABC?” I don’t want to! But identity is not what you think you are, it’s what others think you are. You can pretend you are American all you want but when other white people see you no white person will think you are American. You will always be an Chinese immigrant and so will your kids and grandchildren as long as they have the Asian face.

I don’t want to be ABC. But this label cannot be changed overnight! But other people continue to define me as ABC and treat me as such. If we met in person, I don’t think you would treat me like you treat a real Chinese person who grew up in China. That’s why I re-learned all my Chinese and follow Chinese culture/news – b/c I hate being a pathetic ABC. Better to be poor and live with your people, than to be middle-class but be a white man’s dog.

So how am I a loser? How do you know I don’t work my ass off? Is working your ass off and doing what you can to change your position mutual exclusive with complaining and voicing my concerns online? If I didn’t work my ass off how did my Chinese get so good? How did I get into Ivy League? How did I work in banking? I work way more than most white people around me, that’s a damn fact.

America tradition is build on complaining and protesting. If black people did not protest, they would not have MLK and not have Obama. Asians in America, if you want to start thinking like American people, then you better learn how to complain and make waves.

水大水, why don’t you read this 博客 written by BayMountain – a parent on 文学城:he understands where ABCs (especially males) are coming from. 给你醍醐灌顶一下。

http://blog.wenxuecity.com/myblog/23244/201701/20573.html

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

You don’t understand how white people really view foreigners who come from Asia. They don’t want Asian / yellow faces making too much progress. Do you really think white people are going to let yellow people obtain positions of power and influence? Obama was president for 8 years and look at how this country responds – by hating blacks and voting a racist like Trump as the presidency. Chinese men will never, ever be allowed to have power and influence and be a majority in America. If you have too many Chinese coming here I guarantee you the USA gov’t will impose more and more restrictions on Chinese people. 你得从白人的角度了解这个问题。美国是白人的地盘儿 (欧洲移民虽然国籍不同但是都是白人,人家祖先辛辛苦苦建立这个国家就是为了你们一代一代中国移民来享受硕果吗?你也太天真了吧!美国宪法说人人都平等你就信?中国不是也有宪法你怎么就不信了?你真的缺乏社会经验,太多东西你没体验过了。你们这些人真是有点 too simple, sometimes naive.
Your major mistake is you believe white people are really on our side. They are not. That’s what you don’t understand. Look at Trump’s inauguration today – how many Asian men did you see on the Capitol building celebrations? I say maybe 1 or 2.
America is a land for white people. Imagine if you were a white person – what would you think about Chinese people coming to the white land just b/c their country is getting overpopulated? What would a white person think about this?
You would not want China to be the destination for all types of immigrants from other places either, especially when these immigrants try to have more influence, get more money, etc…
Your biggest problem is you don’t see how the white people really feel about you. They view Chinese face as a perpetual foreigner. Core white people who hold power and influence in the USA will NEVER let Asians gain any influence here b/c they view us as foreigners who did NOT build this country and have no right in this country for political or social influence.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

That’s your problem, to be frank. You say you have language skills – what about ABCs who don’t have them and still face discrimination from whites? 他们就没有什么后路可退了,这个你怎么还没懂呀?你这个换位思考能力看来极差。

You don’t understand how white people really view foreigners who come from Asia. They don’t want Asian / yellow faces making too much progress. Do you really think white people are going to let yellow people obtain positions of power and influence? Obama was president for 8 years and look at how this country responds – by hating blacks and voting a racist like Trump as the presidency. Chinese men will never, ever be allowed to have power and influence and be a majority in America. If you have too many Chinese coming here I guarantee you the USA gov’t will impose more and more restrictions on Chinese people. 你得从白人的角度了解这个问题。美国是白人的地盘儿,人家祖先辛辛苦苦建立这个国家就是为了你们一代一代中国移民来享受硕果吗?你也太天真了吧!美国宪法说人人都平等你就信?中国不是也有宪法你怎么就不信了?你真的缺乏社会经验,太多东西你没体验过了。你们这些人真是有点 too simple, sometimes naive.

Your major mistake is you believe white people are really on our side. They are not. That’s what you don’t understand. Look at Trump’s inauguration today – how many Asian men did you see on the Capitol building celebrations? I say maybe 1 or 2.

America is a land for white people. Imagine if you were a white person – what would you think about Chinese people coming to the white land just b/c their country is getting overpopulated? What would a white person think about this?

You would not want China to be the destination for all types of immigrants from other places either, especially when these immigrants try to have more influence, get more money, etc…

Your biggest problem is you don’t see how the white people really feel about you. They view Chinese face as a perpetual foreigner. Core white people who hold power and influence in the USA will NEVER let Asians gain any influence here b/c they view us as foreigners who did NOT build this country and have no right in this country for political or social influence.

不再和你费神了。如果你要是觉得以后孩子当个ABC是什么好事儿,那谁也挡不住你。多可怜可怜孩子吧

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If it’s not ABC problem when why are there so few ABCs in executive and leadership positions in America? Why do so many ABCs agree with me on this forum? Are we all just incompetent and selfish and sensitive? I don’t think so. You clearly don’t understand America but think you do just b/c you have been here for a few years. If you keep thinking it’s a personal problem then ABCs will never get the help they need b/c the problem is not a personal one, it’s just insidious institutional racism. What more do I need to say to get you to understand? You think American people are too nice, much more than they actually are.

I’m not going to repeat my points.

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You are basically saying don’t criticize parents. That’s what you and all the Chinese parents think – kids should never criticize them, even when they could be wrong and need to know their mistakes. You called me selfish and immature, when I am actually the exact opposite.

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Yep, keep trying to justify your own limited views on how America is as a Chinese women who has never really lived through American racism. I could say the same about you – you think there is discrimination and racism in China b/c you are too sensitive, couldn’t I? And that’s why you choose to come to the States. You’re too sensitive in China. China is not the problem, it’s you. If it’s not ABC problem when why are there so few ABCs in executive and leadership positions in America? Why do so many ABCs agree with me on this forum? Are we all just incompetent and selfish and sensitive? I don’t think so. You clearly don’t understand America but think you do just b/c you have been here for a few years.

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But we have to be smart about how to fight this. I think we have to improve our native language skills and reach out to the Chinese (or whatever our home country is in Asia) more and more. Look at my original post in Wenxuecity – it is going around in China on Wechat. There are already like 7000 reviews.
That’s the power of using your native language – Chinese, and interacting with your true home country’s culture.
If I had written an English article, it would never leave Reddit. No one cares.
The truth is, no matter what they say about diversity, USA is controlled by white people, and they will always change the rules to make sure that’s the status quo.
So it doesn’t do anything to keep migrating here – b/c if Asians get really powerful or populous, the gov’t will impose a cap on it.
Don’t believe for a second that the white people are dumb. They know exactly what they are doing.
That’s why I believe, ultimately, these Asian-Americans who want to “start their own culture in America” (while I respect this effort), won’t work. B/c A-As have no money, no power, no influence. It’s controlled all by whites. And whites will never let Asians have any power in the USA – their home turf. The white gov’t and white males want to get rid of the Asian male gene in the USA. Anyone, including ABCs, who think they can “fight against this” is missing the forest for the trees. White control the media, wall street, capitol hill, hollywood, etc…. Asian-Americans have nothing. You really think they’re gonna listen to you just b/c you do a few protests? Give me a break.
The only way to fight this is to use China’s rising influence to check the USA.
Once you see that, it’s pretty clear the only way to go is back to Asia. It’s painful. It’s hard. But it’s better than expecting white people to stand on your side – which is never. And even if we struggle, our next generation can return to be being full 100% Asians with the dignity they deserve.

The truth about the ABC situation and why it’s VERY DIFFERENT from the “regular discrimination” in China and needs more attention from all Chinese people, parents or kids

That’s true. She is a parasite.

But we have to be smart about how to fight this. I think we have to improve our native language skills and reach out to the Chinese (or whatever our home country is in Asia) more and more. Look at my original post in Wenxuecity – it is going around in China on Wechat. There are already like 7000 reviews.

That’s the power of using your native language – Chinese, and interacting with your true home country’s culture.

If I had written an English article, it would never leave Reddit. No one cares.

The truth is, no matter what they say about diversity, USA is controlled by white people, and they will always change the rules to make sure that’s the status quo.

So it doesn’t do anything to keep migrating here – b/c if Asians get really powerful or populous, the gov’t will impose a cap on it.

Don’t believe for a second that the white people are dumb. They know exactly what they are doing.

That’s why I believe, ultimately, these Asian-Americans who want to “start their own culture in America” (while I respect this effort), won’t work. B/c A-As have no money, no power, no influence. It’s controlled all by whites. And whites will never let Asians have any power in the USA – their home turf. The white gov’t and white males want to get rid of the Asian male gene in the USA. Anyone, including ABCs, who think they can “fight against this” is missing the forest for the trees. White control the media, wall street, capitol hill, hollywood, etc…. Asian-Americans have nothing. You really think they’re gonna listen to you just b/c you do a few protests? Give me a break.

The only way to fight this is to use China’s rising influence to check the USA.

Once you see that, it’s pretty clear the only way to go is back to Asia. It’s painful. It’s hard. But it’s better than expecting white people to stand on your side – which is never. And even if we struggle, our next generation can return to be being full 100% Asians with the dignity they deserve.

The truth about the ABC situation and why it’s VERY DIFFERENT from the “regular discrimination” in China and needs more attention from all Chinese people, parents or kids

She doesn’t really sympathize or care b/c she already has the China benefits and now wants even more – the American stuff.

She will always have her Chinese circle to hide in. So she doesn’t care about ABCs.

She also seems to be very obsessed with white males, and her emotions over other people’s emotions.

My response to her tirade: you suck it up. Truth hurts.

She gets defensive cause she knows it to be true. Life needs to be better for ABCs and we need to spread the word – viral.

The truth about the ABC situation and why it’s VERY DIFFERENT from the “regular discrimination” in China and needs more attention from all Chinese people, parents or kids

You meant the Wenxuecity ones? It’s quite pathetic. Just a small group of angry parents who cannot dare their fake “American Dream” being broken and analyzed by ABCs who truly understand American culture. There are many good parents on there that support me and what I’m trying to say. But only the disbelievers keep posting new crap to delude themselves even more.

I’ve sent them many reddit links but they purposely don’t read English. So many of that goes over their heads.

Hence, the paradox. They avoid anything in English, avoid hanging out with white people, but think they know the USA better than their kids. It’s pathetic. These parents are the biggest problem, they don’t see the error of what they are doing.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

HenLiHai,

You said it better than anyone. 1000% agree.

ArmorUSA

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Thanks Xingfenzhen for spreading this word. People need to know the truth.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Exactly. Your skin color means you are always different from the whites and anyone can instantly notice. If a Chinese boy grew up in another ASIAN country like Japan, Korea, or Singapore, he won’t have this type of problem. The problem is that ABCs grow up in WESTERN countries dominated by white people who look entirely different. There’s no way you can “blend in” no matter how hard you try. European immigrants’ kids who grow up in the USA do NOT have the problem that ABCs do b/c they look Western.

That’s why I feel ABCs may NOT become like Jews in America – b/c Jews may work hard and be cohesive, but they also LOOK WESTERN. ABCs do NOT that’s the big difference.

Also, the geographical discrimination (地域歧视) that you talk about in China is different because there are many, many provinces and while each province or city discriminates against outsiders, most Chinese can always find that one place (家乡) that they can go to where they are 100% accepted w/o effort. ABCs living in the West is different from this situation for the reasons I cited above. Also, the degree of discrimination, if you measure by “degree”, is insanely different:

In China, let’s say there are 31 provinces + a few more 自治区 and some other territories, that means each person when moving to other places experiences a similar degree of discrimination. If someone from Beijing goes to Shanghai they will be discriminated but a Shanghai person going to Beijing can expect the same discrimination. Moreover, if both the SH and BJ people go to say Shenzhen they BOTH get discriminated by SZ people. So it’s much more uniform level of discrimination that applies to every Chinese, more or less.

ABC situation is very different. We are like a tiny portion of the US population, say not even 1-2%. We are discriminated by say (80-90%) of the US population (whites) REGARDLESS of where we go. We have no place of our own where we can discriminate against those white people back. We are the minorities wherever we go and white people are the majority WHEREVER they go. The discrimination is insanely one sided.

So the proper comparison would be to assume 98% of China’s territory is controlled by say Beijing people and 2% are Shanghai people – that would be a proper comparison to the ABC’s situation. And also make the Shanginese people look physically different from the Beijing people, so no matter how the Shanginese tries to blend in people can tell he is from the 2% shanghai group. And now pretend you are a Shanghainese. That’s how an ABC feels.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Shanigan

Thanks for your comments. I genuinely want parents to be aware of the pain that many ABCs generally face, but cannot express or don’t want to express. I think healthy discussion, sharing of ideas, and telling the truth helps everyone. Ultimately, it helps future ABCs and their parents from avoiding the same traps of previous generations.

I encourage you to read my response to “shuidashui” above.

Thanks,

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

shuidashui,

Thanks for you post.

I don’t think you really understand being an ABC at all, given you said you went to high school and undergrad in China. That means you blend in well with Chinese people, especially if you are overseas, and don’t have to worry about racial discrimination at all. You may not realize it, but everything you write is from a very Chinese perspective, and does not reflect the true situation of the ABC in America.

I’ve spent extensive time learning Chinese and I’m sorry, I don’t think I can fit even 70% in the Chinese culture that easily. The young Chinese of our generation are very nationalistic and will just continue to purposely use harder and harder Chinese words when they sense that my Chinese is good, they will continue treating me not as a complete Chinese person. I’ve seen this happen many times. When people see I am well versed in 成语 and some advanced Chinese they will start using 古诗 to prove that their language skills are more superior. It’s very annoying, but for an ABC to really blend in, you not only have to know just Chinese, but also all the cultural elements too. It’s not easy. Or comfortable. Maybe you are nice to ABCs, but Chinese males think ABC males are a threat. Many are not nice to us, and the better your ABC Chinese is, the more they feel you are a threat.

I totally understand your type of thinking. You are still operating under the Chinese culture, which is to respect your parents, do what they they say w/o question, classic Confucianism.

From what you wrote, it’s very clear that you do not really understand what American culture is at all. When you say “if you accept the American spirit you should take more responsibility on yourself…” that’s exactly what I’m doing with my writings on here and Wenxue. The core of the American culture is rugged individualism and telling the truth like it is, that is exactly what I’ve done. I think parents should be respected when they do the right and responsible things, but I don’t think respecting parents means that I cannot criticize them. You are still operating under the Chinese mentality of never criticizing elders or leaders, even if they are wrong. That doesn’t fly in America. You need adjust your mentality, b/c if you want to stay in USA, and have kids, your Chinese logic will destroy their lives if they want to stay in the USA. You have to 入乡随俗·。 You say “you are a person experienced enough in both culture” – I’m sorry, you think you understand American culture, but clearly you do not. To understand American culture, you have to grow up here, attend high school here, and ONLY associate with whites and blacks and latinos and NOT have the protection of your native Chinese circle.

If you can always go back to the Chinese circle, even in America, that means you do not know what it is like to be an ABC.

When you speak about staying in comfort zone, you are taking for granted that everyone has a comfort zone. Sorry, but ABCs, unlike you native Chinese who come here, do NOT have a comfort zone we can go to. That’s everyone’s message on this forum. We cannot hide anywhere. 我们无地自容。There is nowhere that we can go when we want a little break from racial discrimination. But you can go find your Chinese friends, start a Wechat group, travel with large group of Chinese friends, and feel like you belong.

ABCs generally cannot do that. Even though Chinese may be poor and some Chinese discriminate against others depending on where you are from, almost every native Chinese in China can “hide” from this by going back to their hometown or village where they belong 100%. ABCs however have no place in the world where they can go and feel that it is their “hometown” where they are 100%. That’s the big difference.

Also, the discrimination you feel in China between the rich and the poor is very different from the discrimination of an ABC in America. First, if you are poor, you can become rich. That can change. Like Jack Ma, he was poor, but he worked hard and was lucky and became 首富。You have that opportunity, at least.

As an ABC, once you are past teenage years, your identity is set. You can never change. That means, if you don’t belong somewhere, you’re fucked. That’s it. End of the story. No amount of hard work after your teenage years can allow you to learn that cultural assimilation. You are isolated for life.

Another key difference, is that ABC guys are very low on the social scale in the USA. You do not feel that b/c you are a female – in America, whites are much nicer to Chinese females than Chinese or ABC males. But Chinese males can hide in Chinese circles, where they have social status that normal males have. But ABC males cannot hide in the Chinese circle either. So we have nowhere to hide. If you want to imagine what that is like, imagine that no boy in China wants to date someone from your hometown. But all the other girls from other home towns can get married, but simply b/c you are from that hometown, you cannot get married. Too bad, you’re just unlucky. You have not done anything to deserve it. Do you like that feeling?

Finally, I think you don’t quite understand what it feels like to be an ABC here in America w/regard to race. I know you say people in China all discriminate against each other based on geography, but that’s not the same thing. So a lot of Chinese don’t understand why identity is so important. That’s because they are lucky to be born in a mono-ethnic environment where you never have to worry about identity. But the difference between people of different races is MUCH larger than people of different skin color but different geography. I’ve seen many Chinese parents here in USA hang out with other Chinese parents who are from different cities, provinces, towns. I’ve seen parents from Northern China hang out with parents from Shanghai, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Hunan, even Hainan. But hanging out with someone from another province, but same skin color, is not the same as being forced to hang out with people of different race – it’s completely different. Race difference is much bigger.

You cannot understand how an ABC feels b/c you always that China circle as backup, even in the USA. There are so many Chinese in the USA in every city – every city or school has wechat circles (校友国人群, etc…) that provides emotional, dating, career support to new Chinese members. ABCs don’t have this support anywhere. ABCs do not have a set identity, a set culture, and their own social systems that protect them and prevent other people from joining. White people can easily break into ABC circles, steal the girls, and leave the guys. That’s the truth. We have no language barrier, no cultural barrier, no organization or powerful people or government to support us.

Your trouble with understanding how ABCs feel is the same problem as, if say a human being from earth went to another planet and grew up with aliens (外星人) – just pretend for a minute. For that human, all the aliens will look so different from that human that for him, he will start identifying with the HUMAN RACE as a whole. All of a sudden, skin color will not matter, all of the Humans on another planet will hang out together. But when he comes back to earth and tells us, “hey guys, it’s so great to be able to truly be part of a human group all the time” – nobody on earth will understand. Why? Because we take this for granted. We are always with other humans on earth, so we never have to worry about being with aliens. So we will not understand this person who grew up on another planet, b/c we say, so what if you’re human? Humans have all types of racism. We will say to the guy who grew up on another planet: “Just deal with it”. But it’s not “just deal with it”. If any of us were to be placed in the same situation as him, on another planet, we would realize that as human, you need to be with other humans. That’s emotionally important.

Same way, you growing up in China will Chinese faces and one skin color, is very different from you growing up in the USA and you are one of the very few Asians, amongst people who are white, black, latino, very few like yourself.
Everyone has an innate desire to hang out with people who have the same skin color, you just don’t realize it when you are in China b/c that’s the default.

On earth, it’s also emotionally important for us to have our own culture, skin color that we can use as backup. I’m not saying we cannot make friends with people from other races, but everyone needs a “default” race, nationality, and culture they can rely on as a social, societal backbone.

I’m not selfish at all. I’m trying to help ABCs who are still young by letting the parents know. It is the parents who are selfish by purposely not admitting reality just so they can save face. 跟ABC 受到的终身孤独比起来,父母的面子值多少钱?

You are the selfish one because you are only thinking about your heart being broken, did you ever care about your future child’s heart being broken again and again b/c he is always in a foreign land that he cannot escape from?

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

San Francisco, LA are fine options, as is HK. I see some ABCs going to Shanghai or Shenzhen, but the pretty ambitious ones who are fed up with this crap in America at any cost.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Excellent analysis.

The ABC circle is too weak to fight against global white supremacy. Any effort to counter global white supremacy has to come from leveraging the strength of China. I don’t see any other way.

While I personally don’t support Trump, I do kind of actually hope that Trump’s administration will INCREASE racism against immigrants so that to a certain extent, ABC parents will actually be experience for themselves what ABCs go through growing up and see what ABCs have been talking about all these years.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Yeah, it sucks if you don’t have either one. CHinese parents too concerned with economic comfort that they forget there are other types of comfort needed as well (emotional). ABCs have it better of economically but the emotional side is pretty damn bad. It is up to each person to judge which one is better. I personally think i could be pretty happy living a poorer life but more emotionally satisfying, rather than a rich, empty life alone.
Also, the fact that some ABCs have trouble in dating and social scenes also reduces their efficiency at work – there’s a correlation. Party hard, work hard. Party sucks, work suffers.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Yep. It’s not really the parent making the sacrifice, it’s the kid who gets stuck in an awkward situation where he is neither fish nor foul.
If the kids do well, the parents get the upside. If the kids crash, parents can still go back to China and live their lives. The ABCs don’t have choice. They cannot go back to China. They are stuck here. They have not much upside and pretty big downside.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Agreed. The standard for us in this country is way too high, actually in some ways comparable to pressure in China (difference is that China focuses on hard test scores, here it’s pressure for good grades and extracurriculars, etc…) But either way as an Asian you are destined to live under this pressure. But if I had to choose, since I will be under pressure both ways, I think I would at least lean towards being in China where if I really don’t have to feel like I’m at the “bottom of the food chain” in many areas of life (in China there is other geographical discrimination but still, in general when I tell Chinese people in person about the ABC experience, many say they would rather be an average person in china than a lonely ABC working his ass off here for not much.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

That’s because parents don’t do the HW to understand that success and happiness in USA society is NOT about grades or studying for SATs, when you are part of a group – A-As, who are visciously attacked by media and white institutions in nearly all sectors. You always have to work 5 times harder for half the result.
Parents need to do more homework to understand what reality for ABC in America really is. They didn’t do anything wrong with bringing kids to the USA but they do have responsibility to understand what the impact of the situation is for the child. B/c the child is too young and cannot have this awareness.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

This is damn well written. You mind if I copy this excerpt to the Chinese wenxue site for Chinese parents to read?
Your article has several great points.
My point is that parents who feel their saving face is greater than the pain of some ABC guys (especially those who aren’t that attractive, masculine) who suffer in silence and loneliness? It’s not right. Parents should be willing to put down face to help their kids who are really in need.
But they refuse to even listen. To accept reality. That’s what makes it despicable.
Very few Chinese parents on the wenxue website even comprehend what we are referring to. They think it’s just a bunch of ungrateful comments from an insolent teenager. Couldn’t be further from the truth.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

I applaud your parents, they knew what was important and did an excellent job.

My views about what is going on with ABCs, their parents, and identity issues – followup from Wenxue article

Mostly to ABC parents in the USA. The issue I’m talking about is: are Chinese parents doing what is best for for kids, or what looks the best for the parents themselves? I don’t see ABCs achieving “The American Dream” on a large scale at all. Our achievements and influence in the USA is sorely disproportionate to what we have put in.

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

Guys, I just got a new account, and am the original author of the wenxue city article. reddit won’t let me post yet, could someone help me post a new article I wrote addressing my thoughts about this issue?

Martin Jacques: The West has a lot to learn from China

All the smart people, white or asian, understand these trends. The real issue is how to get everyone to cooperate. Many people in China have the $ and power to influence the Asian image but have little motivation themselves to do so.

Asian American writes emotional essay to Chinese parents – Do not immigrate to America, your kids will suffer.

Hi guys, I am Armor USA and the author of the original wenxue report. I have just opened an account here to continue the dialogue, as I believe there will be more people here who can understand what is actually going on.

 

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