Some thoughts on Chinese-Americans in relation to elite high school academic contests

Last night I was too tired to watch more of 红楼梦. I’ve now finished 4 episodes out of 50 (started a bit on the 5th one as well), which corresponds to the 9th chapter out of 120. But it wasn’t quite time for me to easily fall asleep. So it occurred to me to look up the winners of USA Math Olympiad for 2019.

https://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/usamo/2019%20USAMO%20Winners.pdf

https://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/pdf/usamo/2019%20USAMO%20Honorable%20Mentions.pdf

There they are. And then it occurred to me to look at https://aapt.org/physicsteam/2019/team.cfm and http://www.usaco.org/index.php?page=finalists19.

I couldn’t help but notice how Chinese the names were. Of the 12 USAMO winners + 7 USAMO HMs, there were 15 Chinese, 1 Korean, and 3 whites/Jews.

Of the 20 USA Physics Olympiad finalists, there were 16 Chinese, 3 Indians, 1 Jew, and of the 20 USA Computing Olympiad finalists, there were 20 Chinese, 4 whites/Jews, and 1 Indian.

And as an FYI, I know people who have been each of these three categories, in years much closer to mine, and I am familiar with what these contests are like and their content. I’ll say that the physics olympiad is the closest to actual physics. The math one is a bunch of difficult olympiad style problems some with rather “brute force” or at least not terribly elegant or mathematically substantial solutions in the inequalities and synthetic geometry categories, and the computing one is a bunch of algorithmic problems requiring some cleverness in terms of dynamic programming, greedy, graph algorithms, even a bit of computational geometry.

Then years ago, there weren’t actually this many ethnic Chinese in the names of the winners of finalists of these contests. These are mostly the kids of 70 后 (born in 1970s) STEM immigrants from mainland China who have been selected for a combination of g, conscientiousness, interest in STEM, and (shudders) also lack of patriotism/woke-ness. Most of these kids are basically uber high IQ, nerdy banana-boys, really into these contests, winning academic awards, and learning math and science. My experience has told me that very few of these kids are anything close to culturally Chinese, and I don’t expect this to have changed.

I know it’s rather politically incorrect or at least awkward in America to comment on the ethnic factor of this contest, in particular the gross Chinese overrepresentation. I’m sure many find it very annoying but are too afraid to say it openly.

Speaking of annoying, this very annoying Jew in math kept telling me about how Chinese-Americans are a high powered, how they’re smarter than the native Chinese at the far tail. That *might* be true. The best native Chinese kids of the same age might have some difficulty beating those Chinese-American kids in those finalists lists in those contests, the last few years, US has done better than China at IMO I believe. But the native Chinese have their own advantages, like heck, they actually have their own language, own culture, own country, own government, own media, own military, and in the career world, I would expect them to do better since they will have much more political support.

There is also that people I know have said that these contests select not only for far tail g but also for not very high aesthetic discernment, because those with really high aesthetic discernment would lack motivation to prep too much for the more contrived aspects of these contests. I rather agree with that point of view.

I’ve interacted substantially with people in that category. They are certainly very smart and very fast and accurate and powerful at doing stuff, solving problems. But I find many of them lacking in awareness of cultural/historical context. When I learned math and science, I found myself more naturally interested in the history and development of it than most others. So even though I interacted with those kids to a fair degree, I also kept a bit of distance from them. I now find native Chinese many nowhere near as smart IQ wise more interesting and pleasant to talk to than them. At least subconsciously, I found many of them rather misguided in many ways. For more context, I’ll reference this quote of ChinaSuperpower on Reddit.

Chinese in China don’t do any of these things you mentioned. Confucianism was abandoned by 1960s. Only AA parents use Confucianism as a tool to keep their kids docile. Chinese in China are too busy building a massive blue water navy to challenge USN and take leadership. AA sometimes have no idea what modern China is about. Chairman Mao’s army annihilated US army in Korea and that’s why USA hates him LOL. Chairman Mao then proceeded to explode multimegaton hydrogen bombs in the 1960s that ultimately led Nixon to bow down and recognize PRC as a UN security council P5. Chinese today are patriotic and even low class people have sex and get married no problems.

Meanwhile it is first generation Asian emigrants who are white worshipping. They brainwash their children to erase any chance their children might figure out how powerful China is. Their agenda is to make their daughters white mans sex toys and their sons the coolies. This is the child sacrifice they are making to please the white man who is their God deep in their hearts. It’s the deal with the devil that first generation emigrants don’t what you to know about. They just want to keep you docile with math, physics, piano and Confucianism.

AAs should take their heads out of their math and physics books and read about Chairman Mao and modern China. China is the defender of against Western hegemony. It’s a red pill though. Once you know the truth you know you are just a child sacrifice to white Gods by white worshipping first generation emigrants. Your choice whether to live in ignorance or accept reality.

So, yesterday, I had lunch with a guy who did high school in China, undergrad at top or near top US school, and was a PhD student at Harvard for a while. I asked him about Beijing vs Shanghai. He said that he doesn’t actually feel much difference. I mentioned how Beijing as the capital is more state owned enterprise while Shanghai with its colonial past is more international and foreign-invested enterprise. In particular, I spoke of how someone I know whose parents are 体制内 had said to me that in Shanghai you shouldn’t tell people that you’re from a 体制内 background. That guy replied that he didn’t really feel that way, that many people in Shanghai want to go into 体制内 as well. Then I mentioned stereotypes of Shanghainese being really snobbish and looking down on people from smaller places, with reference to someone’s saying that Hong Kongers and Shanghainese are very snobbish. That guy’s response was very interesting. It was

Do you know which group of people I find especially snobbish? Chinese-Americans.

And I was like LOL, yes they are more snobbish than Shanghainese for sure, and in a much more ridiculous/pathetic way.

He qualified to those who immigrated to America in the 80s and 90s. After all, he had some interactions with them while a student there. I said that some of the best of them were really successful in academia, professors at Princeton, Stanford, etc. He was like, “yes, but some of them are pretty nasty people,” with a few names of such people he’s had direct exposure to. I spoke of the negative qualities which characterize many among that cohort based on my observation, such as really wanting to be individually good and being afraid that others from the same group surpass them, and lacking in 骨气 and risk-taking spirit for the collective good, and just being very small-minded in general. I spoke of how this guy who did reach the top in academia in America who’s returned to China now for over a decade was an exception, how he openly challenged this super dirty anti-China dissident in the 90s, before he had tenure. The response was that there are exceptions, and that that guy, unlike most, actually returned to China eventually, giving up his rare, coveted position in the US.

I mentioned that ChinaSuperpower also thinks that way of those first generation immigrants, in a more extreme way than you do. He was like, “he’s not the only one who thinks that, many people do.” Of course, the ones who did actually become high up in a company or professor at good or great university are the very small minority. The outcomes of most of those first generation immigrants were pretty meh, with some even a bit depressing. Not to mention their kids…

Yes, most of the kids in those math, physics, and computing olympiad finalists lists will do fine or even really well later on. Even the really well must be qualified with a they won’t get any serious money or political power though. But they are the very small minority. On the other hand, the typical kid of first generation immigrant from mainland China is up for a rather sad outcome. I’ve seen plenty of such…

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Apparently, another one of Ren Zhengfei’s daughters is a computer science undergraduate at Harvard

The detaining of Meng Wanzhou, CFO of Huawei and daughter of its founder Ren Zhengfei, at Canadian airport on behest of the US authorities has made headlines the past several days. On that, I have little to say other than that she is quite attractive and also that the half-closeted nepotism via mother’s surname is both amusing and somewhat gross.

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On the global homo Anglo world order, its origin and its implications

I have a very smart and unusually politically perceptive WASP American friend, who placed at or at least near the top at elite math contests. He once said to me the following:

A world run by Chinese or Japanese is one where they’d be rich and on top but mostly leave others alone, except to get money from them. A world run by whites is one where half want to conquer and half want to help. A world run by Jews is one where they’d systematically extinguish any hope of ending it.

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Ron Unz is also a PRC government apologist, maybe because America really is being completely unreasonable

My friend is in China right now. He posts:

Everyone here is surprised that I want to study Chinese *in Taiwan*. I think there are a bunch of reasons for that, but here is another one. In total, I’ve been to Taiwan for about the same length as the mainland, and…

Mainland: 3 digestive, 1 airborne viral
Taiwan: 0 digestive, 1 airborne viral

This reminded me of the milk scandal from back in 2008. As I skimmed through that Wiki page, something in particular caught my attention. It was

Ron Unz compares the Chinese government and media reaction favorably to the coverage of the Vioxx scandal in the US, saying that “American journalists seemed to focus more attention on a half-dozen fatalities in China than they did on the premature deaths of as many as 500,000 of their fellow American citizens”.

I was like LOL, Ron Unz is against America even on this. The reference for that was an article Ron Unz published on the matter (link).

I guess Ron Unz has a point. And also, I’ve never even heard of the Vioxx scandal. The general pattern is whenever something bad happens in China, the US media is so eager to report it. It’s a way of discrediting your competitor and ideological enemy. The US is using its power all it can, often in objectively ridiculous ways, to make its competitor fail. Of course it does significant damage economically and reputation wise. There is that China is still actually behind, and there is even more of a negative perception, much of it manufactured by the US mass media. Now there is this vaccine scandal, and again the US media is giving it much attention.

Basically, it’s very hard when there is someone in a position of power/authority who basically wants you to fail. This shit happens in the workplace too. It’s obvious that America wants its main competitors Russia and China to fail. The hostile competitive relationship is of course much derived from the ideological/cultural differences. Some Russian guy told me that in the US, to put it somewhat hyperbolically, there is a phenomenon of really smart and competent Russians discriminated against for being too good. Those in charge don’t want those Russians to become director level or higher in the company, much because they are afraid. Mostly want them to do the difficult technical work, produce much more value for the company than they get out of it. Could that Russians tend to do worse at the highest tiers of corporate America than mainland Chinese indicate that the American elite still fears more from Russia than from China? Well, I can only say that in terms of technical ability, Russians are definitely more intimidating. Otherwise, we would not see Chinese buying their high-end military hardware. I’ve seen some who actually spoke out in the work setting, and the end result is that they got wrecked, politically. There may also be that Russians are less tolerant of stupid bullshit than Chinese are. They’re the ones who tend to openly say that questions like “why do you want to work for this company?” and “what is your biggest weakness” are basically completely retarded. Now, I’m sure many people feel this way, but they don’t have the nerve (or you can say they have the political tact) to actually directly say it.

I do sometimes wonder, “could it be that in terms of political/cultural atmosphere and general knowledge/literacy, Russians and Chinese are generally way higher than the Americans in positions of power?” Could it be that delusional American mediocrities in positions of power are using the overwhelming resources they control to hold back people way smarter and more sane than them who would do a much better job of running the world, who have to put up with this bullshit? Again, might makes right. Russians and Chinese maybe more right, but they don’t have the power to fully counter what the American elites are doing. Maybe they will soon though. It’ll be fascinating to see how this turns out.

In any case, the smart Russians and Chinese who immigrate here via graduate school mostly end up creating a ton of value for thankless American capitalists for a merely upper-middle class salary. And even then, there are idiots hysterical about espionage. Maybe those talented, hardworking Russians and Chinese should go back home with the expertise they’ve accumulated working in the US and contribute to their own economy and military technology instead. That would do enormous damage to America’s competitive position. There are big US tech companies who hire a ton of smart people and put them on projects they’re overqualified for partly with the intention of preventing them from working for their competitors. I guess on a more global scale, America is doing the same. And their competitors are mostly getting a shit deal. Though the situation could definitely change. Maybe the American elite really will be stupid enough to drive those smart immigrants back home. They’re already getting there. Ruining the career and life of a top Chinese immigrant physicist with trumped up espionage charges. Now also instituting visa restrictions on Chinese STEM PhD students. I can totally foresee something similar to what happened in the 50s in China with the likes of Qian Xuesen, co-founder of Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Caltech professor, who went back to China after the US government ruined his career. Many other Chinese in STEM in the US followed his path. They (those idiots in the US government) are self-contradictory too. They are paranoid about espionage, and at the same time, they don’t want these people going back home to work for their competitor. In the 50s, the US government actually prevented those people from returning to their native country. It took a few years of negotiation with the Chinese government before those people would be allowed to return. With the sanctions on Russia and the trade war with China, I can definitely see somewhat of a repeat of this coming.

It may also be not too long before Russia and China seriously do whatever they can to make America fail. That won’t be pretty. It can get really, really nasty. You know, maybe China had some false hopes. Like, entering the US phone market. Turns out the attitude towards Huawei and ZTE phone by the US government is basically one of “get the fuck out you’re not wanted here.” Chinese who immigrate and face language and cultural barriers in the workplace hope that their kids can break past that. Well, it turns out that their kids are systemically discriminated against in college admissions. The message is basically one of “you’re a foreigner and we don’t want you or your kids in anything but a subordinate position.” Soon, those Chinese might just go “damn were we wrong, let’s get the fuck out of America before it’s too late.” And then, maybe Chinese in China will really want revenge, and will go out of their way for it. You don’t want to piss them off too much. They can potentially mobilize their entire population towards the goal of, say, taking over Taiwan and South Korea militarily. Both are 100% within reach. They will do that once they realize that they won’t progress much anymore without playing a win-at-all-costs zero sum game against America. The trend is already going that direction.