Last night I was too tired to watch more of 红楼梦. I’ve now finished 4 episodes out of 50 (started a bit on the 5th one as well), which corresponds to the 9th chapter out of 120. But it wasn’t quite time for me to easily fall asleep. So it occurred to me to look up the winners of USA Math Olympiad for 2019.
I couldn’t help but notice how Chinese the names were. Of the 12 USAMO winners + 7 USAMO HMs, there were 15 Chinese, 1 Korean, and 3 whites/Jews.
Of the 20 USA Physics Olympiad finalists, there were 16 Chinese, 3 Indians, 1 Jew, and of the 20 USA Computing Olympiad finalists, there were 20 Chinese, 4 whites/Jews, and 1 Indian.
And as an FYI, I know people who have been each of these three categories, in years much closer to mine, and I am familiar with what these contests are like and their content. I’ll say that the physics olympiad is the closest to actual physics. The math one is a bunch of difficult olympiad style problems some with rather “brute force” or at least not terribly elegant or mathematically substantial solutions in the inequalities and synthetic geometry categories, and the computing one is a bunch of algorithmic problems requiring some cleverness in terms of dynamic programming, greedy, graph algorithms, even a bit of computational geometry.
Then years ago, there weren’t actually this many ethnic Chinese in the names of the winners of finalists of these contests. These are mostly the kids of 70 后 (born in 1970s) STEM immigrants from mainland China who have been selected for a combination of g, conscientiousness, interest in STEM, and (shudders) also lack of patriotism/woke-ness. Most of these kids are basically uber high IQ, nerdy banana-boys, really into these contests, winning academic awards, and learning math and science. My experience has told me that very few of these kids are anything close to culturally Chinese, and I don’t expect this to have changed.
I know it’s rather politically incorrect or at least awkward in America to comment on the ethnic factor of this contest, in particular the gross Chinese overrepresentation. I’m sure many find it very annoying but are too afraid to say it openly.
Speaking of annoying, this very annoying Jew in math kept telling me about how Chinese-Americans are a high powered, how they’re smarter than the native Chinese at the far tail. That *might* be true. The best native Chinese kids of the same age might have some difficulty beating those Chinese-American kids in those finalists lists in those contests, the last few years, US has done better than China at IMO I believe. But the native Chinese have their own advantages, like heck, they actually have their own language, own culture, own country, own government, own media, own military, and in the career world, I would expect them to do better since they will have much more political support.
There is also that people I know have said that these contests select not only for far tail g but also for not very high aesthetic discernment, because those with really high aesthetic discernment would lack motivation to prep too much for the more contrived aspects of these contests. I rather agree with that point of view.
I’ve interacted substantially with people in that category. They are certainly very smart and very fast and accurate and powerful at doing stuff, solving problems. But I find many of them lacking in awareness of cultural/historical context. When I learned math and science, I found myself more naturally interested in the history and development of it than most others. So even though I interacted with those kids to a fair degree, I also kept a bit of distance from them. I now find native Chinese many nowhere near as smart IQ wise more interesting and pleasant to talk to than them. At least subconsciously, I found many of them rather misguided in many ways. For more context, I’ll reference this quote of ChinaSuperpower on Reddit.
Chinese in China don’t do any of these things you mentioned. Confucianism was abandoned by 1960s. Only AA parents use Confucianism as a tool to keep their kids docile. Chinese in China are too busy building a massive blue water navy to challenge USN and take leadership. AA sometimes have no idea what modern China is about. Chairman Mao’s army annihilated US army in Korea and that’s why USA hates him LOL. Chairman Mao then proceeded to explode multimegaton hydrogen bombs in the 1960s that ultimately led Nixon to bow down and recognize PRC as a UN security council P5. Chinese today are patriotic and even low class people have sex and get married no problems.
Meanwhile it is first generation Asian emigrants who are white worshipping. They brainwash their children to erase any chance their children might figure out how powerful China is. Their agenda is to make their daughters white mans sex toys and their sons the coolies. This is the child sacrifice they are making to please the white man who is their God deep in their hearts. It’s the deal with the devil that first generation emigrants don’t what you to know about. They just want to keep you docile with math, physics, piano and Confucianism.
AAs should take their heads out of their math and physics books and read about Chairman Mao and modern China. China is the defender of against Western hegemony. It’s a red pill though. Once you know the truth you know you are just a child sacrifice to white Gods by white worshipping first generation emigrants. Your choice whether to live in ignorance or accept reality.
So, yesterday, I had lunch with a guy who did high school in China, undergrad at top or near top US school, and was a PhD student at Harvard for a while. I asked him about Beijing vs Shanghai. He said that he doesn’t actually feel much difference. I mentioned how Beijing as the capital is more state owned enterprise while Shanghai with its colonial past is more international and foreign-invested enterprise. In particular, I spoke of how someone I know whose parents are 体制内 had said to me that in Shanghai you shouldn’t tell people that you’re from a 体制内 background. That guy replied that he didn’t really feel that way, that many people in Shanghai want to go into 体制内 as well. Then I mentioned stereotypes of Shanghainese being really snobbish and looking down on people from smaller places, with reference to someone’s saying that Hong Kongers and Shanghainese are very snobbish. That guy’s response was very interesting. It was
Do you know which group of people I find especially snobbish? Chinese-Americans.
And I was like LOL, yes they are more snobbish than Shanghainese for sure, and in a much more ridiculous/pathetic way.
He qualified to those who immigrated to America in the 80s and 90s. After all, he had some interactions with them while a student there. I said that some of the best of them were really successful in academia, professors at Princeton, Stanford, etc. He was like, “yes, but some of them are pretty nasty people,” with a few names of such people he’s had direct exposure to. I spoke of the negative qualities which characterize many among that cohort based on my observation, such as really wanting to be individually good and being afraid that others from the same group surpass them, and lacking in 骨气 and risk-taking spirit for the collective good, and just being very small-minded in general. I spoke of how this guy who did reach the top in academia in America who’s returned to China now for over a decade was an exception, how he openly challenged this super dirty anti-China dissident in the 90s, before he had tenure. The response was that there are exceptions, and that that guy, unlike most, actually returned to China eventually, giving up his rare, coveted position in the US.
I mentioned that ChinaSuperpower also thinks that way of those first generation immigrants, in a more extreme way than you do. He was like, “he’s not the only one who thinks that, many people do.” Of course, the ones who did actually become high up in a company or professor at good or great university are the very small minority. The outcomes of most of those first generation immigrants were pretty meh, with some even a bit depressing. Not to mention their kids…
Yes, most of the kids in those math, physics, and computing olympiad finalists lists will do fine or even really well later on. Even the really well must be qualified with a they won’t get any serious money or political power though. But they are the very small minority. On the other hand, the typical kid of first generation immigrant from mainland China is up for a rather sad outcome. I’ve seen plenty of such…