在美国得到名校终身教职的中国移民依然被隔离

有人看到了 https://www.jianshu.com/p/c0f5a62770aa 里的内容说了个

One interesting idea touched upon here is the social status of Chinese American academics. For any other race such as white including Jews being a tenured professor at a top university opens the doors to an elite social life. This is not just about money made it is more about social connections. A tenured professor would be living large — going on private yachts, parties at the fanciest lounges, front stage tickets to concerts and events. This is all supported by the university, its alums and donors. I wonder if the Chinese American professors are actively excluded from the “old boys club” associated with senior level academics and relegated to the laboratory basement instead. It seems to me that they probably are. Otherwise why would so many of them (the elites not counting the middle of the pack) be tempted to reconnect with China? The STEM subject matter shields them from discrimination in the pure academic setting but once in a broader social setting we see that they face the same discrimination as if they are in law or finance instead of STEM.

这个翻译成中文为

在这里涉及到了美国华人学者的社会地位。对于任何其它种族如白人包括犹太人,成为名校的终身教授给一个精英社会圈子打开门道。这不光是钱,更多是关于社会关系。一个终身教授应该有一个丰富的生活,上私人游艇,被邀请到最奢华的聚会,如音乐会各种活动的前座票。这些都被大学,其校友和捐款者所资助。我倒是想美国华人教授是不是也被有意地从这个与高级教授相关的俱乐部排斥在外,而留在实验室的地下室。看来是这样的。要不然为什么那么多(我说的是精英不算那些中不溜的)有重新与中国联系的诱惑呢?理工科的内容能够防止他们在纯粹学术环境被歧视,可以一旦进入了更广大的社交环境,我们能看到他们受到的歧视与在法律或金融没啥区别。

我对他的回应是

基本百分之百正确,我认识一位中国大学获得博士的物理教授,他跟张首晟的一个拿到美国很好但不是最好的物理系的终身教职的学生一起发表过论文,他跟我说那个人尽管拿到了美国的很好的学校的终身教职,但最终老师拿不到资金,最后回到中国当教授了。

即使在科学里都有歧视,就不用说科学之外了。

有意思的是,这些人很多中国人也不把他们继续看为中国人了,尤其如果他们入了美国籍,尤其如果他们在那儿养了香蕉孩子。对于体制内的中国主流的人,他们都快接近中国的政治贱类了,至少趋势是那样。

有意思的是张首晟在一个给美国的华裔孩子的演讲里还说了他们家有些人民国时期上大学学了文科专业,我估计很可能是在上海的如圣约翰大学那样的洋人办的大学。所以解放后,他们家尽管算很有文化的(他说他父母是工程师),但在那种气候政治上和社会地位上说的狠一点夸张一点也能算接近所谓的“贱类”,文化水平很高经济上不错,但政治上默认不被看好。他在那个演讲里骂了文革,很可能他们家受了点冲击,然后以为跑到美国作为一个西化的基督徒华裔物理学家会好得多。但最终结果竟然那么悲剧。这些人就是两边都无法融入,被两边夹,双方都不信任他们,可悲啊。

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My observations of Chinese scientists and engineers in America

这个是用英文写的,后来加了中文翻译。

In short, they are still quite culturally isolated from the mainstream. I’ve interacted with graduate students and graduate departments before. In those, the Chinese students largely self-segregate. Their conversational English is limited. As for the professors from mainland China, they mostly do their research and teach their classes and are rather inactive in actual department matters. They are respected for their technical ability, but they are not really actually assimilated, from what I’ve observed. And many of them take on mostly Chinese students, as non-Chinese students would naturally find a Chinese advisor somewhat uncomfortable, culturally, especially if most of his students are Chinese. They do generally behave in a way that could be characterized as “keeping their head down” and “toeing the American line,” because they know that even as a tenured professor they’re not anywhere near as socially or politically influential. They interact mostly with Chinese outside the work setting, I’ve attended parties of somewhat or very high up Chinese immigrant scientists and engineers before so that I can attest to this. Even in the workplace, they have lunch with mostly other Chinese immigrants (I have participated in those as well). The people of other more assimilated races obviously don’t like them or even secretly hate them, but they are too afraid to openly say it. It is obvious from the segregation and the way whites treat them, and I think those Chinese immigrants are perhaps too insensitive in this regard. Many Chinese out of desperation for their career will purposely try to act more “American,” in a way that makes them seem pathetic, that would be met with utter social disapproval in China. They do act like they are better than Chinese in China for sure, and they project that image when interacting with whites. Though many of them still will try to use/exaggerate their American position and university name tag to get stuff out of China. They know that whites don’t give a fuck about them, but in China, they can still fool a lot of people.

简而言之,他们文化上与美国主流依然隔离,即使在理工科人里。我跟博士生和博士系打过交道。在那些里,中国学生大多自我隔离。他们的英语口语是有限的。对于来自中国大陆的教授而言,他们大多做自己的研究,教他们的课,然后在系里的行政和活动等不怎么参与。他们由他们的技术能力被尊重,但是据我所观察,他们没有融入。好多收的学生大多是中国学生,因为非中国学生自然会对于一个中国导师感到不舒服,文化上和沟通上,尤其如果他的学生大多是中国的。总而言之,他们的表现被形容为“低着头”,“接受美国人为主流”,因为他们知道即使是个终身教授,他们的影响力也比一个科研和职位差不多的白人差不少。工作之外,他们主要跟其他中国人打交道,我参加过一些位置相当高或很高的中国移民科学家和工程师在他们家里组织的请客吃饭及聚会,所以我有资格做这个评论。就是在工作场合,他们也主要和其他中国移民吃饭(我也参与过这些)。那些能融入美国的民族的人很明显不喜欢他们甚至暗暗地仇视他们,只不过不敢直接说。从他们的隔离和白人对待他们的方式,这个很明显,以及我觉得对于这个那些中国移民有点太不敏感了吧。有些那些中国人会出于对他们的事业故意表现的更“美国化”,经常以一种使得他们显得很卑鄙可笑的方式,这种方式会被中国的中国人非常不看好的。他们当时表现如他们强于中国的中国人,至少跟白人打交道的时候他们愿意给这种印象。不过,他们依然会利用并夸张他们的美国职位及大学牌子从中国获取东西。他们知道白人根本不在乎他们,但是,在他们却能骗到很多人。

Like Shing-Tung Yau in pure math, who has said a ton of ridiculous stuff in China, like “in America, even law students have to learn math.” He talks all the time about how great America is in China. And then there was physicist Shoucheng Zhang, who died at age 55. His VC firm failed (this was what someone with indirect connection to him told me), there was an FBI investigation against him. He wanted serious privilege in America, as opposed to merely being a low-profile top scientist, with that tenured Stanford professorship not enough. He wanted more, he wanted influence in China. He also wanted a venture capital firm for Chinese in Silicon Valley. He wanted to feign loyalty to China too as an evangelical Christian who naturalized as American citizen despite being sent to study in Germany in the middle of undergrad on Chinese government funds. Really, anyone with some common sense will realize that a mainland Chinese immigrant cannot attain what he aspired for in America, where ethnic Chinese are socially and politically an untouchable caste. And lately, I learned of Kai Li, Princeton computer science professor, who apparently pulled his American connections to help get funding from an American VC for this fingerprint recognition company whose main client is the Chinese police department. Most of these immigrants are not actually loyal to America, they only pretend to love America to advance their career there. Americans should know that once they talk with Chinese in China they put on a completely difference face. I’ve had some personal interactions with this type of stuff, and it’s absolutely disgusting.

如纯数学的丘成桐,在中国说了很多荒谬的话,如“在美国,法学院的学生都得学数学”。在中国,他老说美国多么多么好。然后有那个55岁死的物理学家张首晟。他的风投商失败了(一位跟他有非直接的联系的人这么跟我说的),FBI调查了他。他想在美国得到特别不寻常的优越地位,而非仅仅作为一个在公共鲜为人知的顶级科学家,那个斯坦福的终身教职是不够的。他想要更多,他想在中国也有影响力。他也想要一个中国人在硅谷的风投商。他也想,作为一个福音派基督徒并归化美国籍的人,装对中国的忠诚,尽管他本科读了一半时拿了工费留学德国。其实,有点常识的人都是意识到一个中国大陆移民在美国是绝对得不到张首晟所想要的,在中国人在社会和政治上为贱民的美国。还有最近,我得知李凯,普林斯顿计算机系教授,利用他的美国关系帮着一家中国公安局为主要客户的指纹识别公司拿到了美国风投商的投资。大多这些移民不是真正对美国忠诚,他们只是会为了他们的事业貌似一下。美国人应当知道这些人一旦跟中国的中国人交流会完全不一样的。跟这些有过些个人的接触,觉得它非常之恶心。

Something that most Americans might find a bit counterintuitive is that most Chinese people don’t like Chinese-American scientists either. They’re not really Chinese anymore, especially if they’ve raised banana children in America who don’t even know the culture and language. They are increasingly also politically untouchable in their ancestral home country. That’s something that China and US have in common in this ongoing trade war and civilizational clash. They both dislike Chinese-Americans. This does not need much explanation. Nobody likes traitors and spineless opportunists.

有一点大多美国人可能会觉得出乎预料的是大多中国人也不喜欢移民美国的中国或华人科学家。他们已经不是纯粹的中国人了,尤其如果他们在美国养了都不会中文的香蕉孩子。在他们的故乡,他们也越来越是政治贱民了。在正在进行的贸易战和中西文明冲突中美倒有个共同点,那就是他们都反感美国华人。这不需要多解释。没人喜欢叛徒或无脊梁的机会主义者。

The few white Americans I could get along best with in America were actually those who wanted to preserve Western civilization. Once I knew them well enough, I could actually talk with them honestly and openly on such matters. And they better understand where I’m coming from as well…

那些少数最能与我合得来的美国白人却是那些想保留西方文明的那些。一旦对那几位足够熟悉,我倒能跟他们相当真诚开放地讨论这些问题。然后他们也比其它白人更能理解我的思维和想法。

Ironically, there is actually some form of mutual respect between WASP and Chinese conservatives… they do actually have a bit in common…

或许有点讽刺的人,美国白人保守派和中国左派能有一种形势的互相尊重。。。他们互相之间还算有点共同之处。。。

美洲曾是黄种人的土地

关于美国华人,有人今天说了

They don’t understand how 贱 they are. Their yellow existence is a threat to the mainstream. They don’t realize it’s their yellow-ness that is a mortal sin. White people especially Jews don’t want yellow people on planet Earth, period. They scored a huge victory by killing off the Native Americans and all that stands between them and total planetary victory is China. To some degree the diaspora AFs understand this and they want to side with white people. Just like La Malinche. She helped Europeans to conquer her own Aztec people.

其实,在美国他们不会说印第安人是亚洲人,或黄种人。我其实回国之后才真正知道,当时还不够觉醒,还处于半被美国洗脑的状态。其实,我在美国的时候基本完全不想印第安人,因为他们在美国现在几乎不存在了。人还在,也很少,在媒体里几乎完全不存在。印第安人的名字我也就知道Pocahontas和Sacagawea,俩都是女的。所以策反黄种人女性的招征服美洲的西班牙人和英美人很早就用过,现在他们依然在试图有同样的办法对待华人。在美国的谷歌和脸书,能够接近高层的华裔好多或大多是跟白人和犹太人上床的女性。很多中国人都知道什么邓文迪和章子怡都是因为跟白人或犹太人上床才能混美国的。

看起来当年的白人征服者把他们捕到的女印第安人奴隶培养成了翻译,不得不让我想到现在不依然有好多崇洋媚外的中国女人在学英语么?那些拥有美国学位的华裔女性中国怎么能轻易信任呢?就连写关于南京大屠杀的美国华裔Iris Chang(张纯如)也是嫁给白人的,我今年去南京的那个纪念馆还看到了她的照片。她36岁就自杀了,我有一次也看过她的演讲视频,对于她,我只能说

没有什么美国主流的人在乎黄种人的生命,你用英语写这种书试图得到一个灭绝黄种人而建立的国家是没有用的。你是个女的,嫁给了一个白人,人家才给你这种机会。你父母就是从大陆跑到台湾然后跑到美国的科学家,他们知道你这种家庭出生的姑娘不会对他们产生威胁,也好利用。向仇恨你的人乞讨同情或同情是没用的,政权和权利是靠枪杆子打出来的。而且,你没有意识到当年日本也很多是因为威胁英美白人而不被人接受才不得不发起军国主义么?日本侵华再残酷,中国人融入日本也比融入美国要容易得多。你是出于好心的,但你作为一个嫁给白人的美国华人用英语那样宣传真的有点搞笑,给的一个被征服的形象。

如果离开以色列接近两千年的犹太人可以扯那是他们的神圣的土地为他们的复国而辩护,中国人也可以扯扯美洲其实是自己的土地,问题是你有能力重新夺取那块土地么?

先慢慢收集一些印第安人的名字,之前对他们毫无兴趣,现在觉得还是值得理解的,包括他们的不同的语系。毕竟他们是中国人的远亲,就像同样将印欧语系的源于梵文的印地语的印度人是英国人的远亲。雅利安人四千多年前从伊朗征服了印度,那一万多年前,西伯利亚蒙古人种的人也跨过了白令海峡踏上并定居在了美洲的地盘,直到从五百多年前起,异类的外来人慢慢地征服了他们,让他们的基因几乎彻底消失了。一下其它历史上的印第安人的名字如下

美国华裔,美国亚裔是二十一世纪的美国印第安人。二战时,美国日裔被关进集中营了,我亲自认识一个人跟我说那个当时几乎把他家毁掉了,战后基本得从头开始,也不敢再学日语了,完了几乎成了黄皮肤的洋垃圾(white trash)了。问题是这些人在哪里都是垃圾了,中国也越来越不会接受有太多美国背景的华裔,尤其如果是自愿去的以及其后代。他们在中国难以融入,也是政治风险。

我也认识一位南美姑娘,她父亲华裔母亲西班牙裔印第安人混血,她倒跟那些美国长大的华裔女完全不一样,她对中文和中国文化很感兴趣,也在中国待过,不是渴望跟白人男上床的那种。有意思的是感觉南美华裔跟中国的冲突却比美国华裔少得多。有人评论因为南美如美国不一样不是一个被犹太人管辖的地方或文化。毕竟南美人大多是西班牙裔印第安人的混血,不像美国和加拿大基本是纯粹白人建立的国家,自然对黄种人的排斥要小得多。

曾经白人利用传播他们的语言和宗教和诱惑策反女人为征服印第安人的手段。他们也挑起了不少不同部落的印第安人之间的内战。现在美国不依然试图对中国这么做么?香港和台湾和美国华人都是他们瓜分中华民族的手段。新疆和西藏的问题好多也都是在美国中情局的策划和组织下有意制造的。今年,美国媒体制造了大量关于新疆的假新闻,望充分利用英语的国际影响力把中国在世界舆论里抹黑。而中国依然还要求几乎所有学生都学英语。中国依然还有那么多骗钱的英语的培训班,以及为留学美国做准备的培训班和机构,北大清华就是。更多国人应当知道美国不是怎么教外语的,从而限制关于外界的客观的信息,因为这样,跑到那儿的人的后代想离开就很难了。希望国人清醒一些,中国基本没有从美国得到什么好东西,得到的也都是因为太弱没任何威胁,或者是二战时期美国需要中国帮着打日本。很多中国人真傻,还非要试图跟一个骨子里仇恨你的国家搞好关系。要认识到当年跟美国建交并建立贸易关系很多是因为跟苏联合不来,不得不跟美国缓和一下,很多人把它错误当做应当崇拜美国,融入美国的体系。中国那么大那么异类的国家和民族,美国是不会甘心平等接受的。

据我的经验,自愿跑到美国获得美国学位的人频繁道德有问题,或者至少对社会的认知非常有问题。有人说美国华人对历史那么缺乏兴趣,那么不敏感,却评论

有道德的人,如果他们知道美国这个国家是怎么建立的,曾经怎么对待印第安人,怎么对待黑人,就应该自然意识到那儿是不可长待的,或不可去的。

在长大过程中与大陆移民有频繁接触的我也的确观察到那帮人是不在乎历史的,对此采取一种放纵无所谓的态度,而相反中国的中国人就不是这样的。我也不是这样的,所以我不得不站在他们的对立面。当然,有少数去那儿上学工作的不是那样,可以因为大多都那么垃圾也培养出那么垃圾的孩子,不得不自然对留美海归形成一定的偏见。

男白人女亚裔出的祸(WMAF fuckups)

来源: http://mongoloidracerising.blogspot.com/2016/08/amwf-is-vastly-superior-to-wmaf.html

WMAF children:

– Daniel Holtzclaw

– Elliott Rodger

– Daniel Henney

– Olivia Munn

– Nathan Adrian

– Eiji Wentz
Justin Nojan Sullivan (Eurasian who attempted to join ISIS)
Matthew DeGrood (Mass killer, 5 victims)
Eric Bloss (Arrested in 2015 for attempted murder of boss)
Connor Sullivan (Ran away from home, missing for 4 days, survived by eating fruit from trees, in 2015)
Amanda Todd (Famous suicide)
Isabella Guzman (Matricide via stabbing 151 times)
Kelly Baltazar (Rich girl turned degradation-pornstar)
Jimmi Inthep Hansson (Swedish animal killer of 9 cats; translation needed)
Daniel Holtzclaw (Cop turned mass rapist)
Belle Knox (Half Indian, Half White) pornstar / Duke student
Emma Sulkowicz (Columbia mattress girl whose claim was later found to be false)
David Renz (Stabbed mother to death in 2013, attempted to rape 10 year old daughter)
Elliot Turner, murder of his girlfriend, half Indonesian, half British
John Everette Perry, sexually assaulting young men, 2013
Alex Kenji Gaborek, Transient Suspect, Accomplices Arrested for Breaking Into Mother’s Elk Grove Residence
Bryan Springer. White Father, Thai Mother. Murder/Suicide involving his girlfriend. 2015. source
Aaron Ybarra, White-Hispanic father, Asian mother, school shooting in Seattle, 2014
Julian Edgren, Former Princeton student and prodigy sentenced to 5 years for selling drugs, White Father, Chinese Mother
Alysa Suguro Bathrick, “Cute mugshot girl”
66 year old white politican and his 25 year old WMAF hapa boyfriend arrested and faced charges for sex crimes with a minor, July, 2015
The 2016 List alone.
David Fry. Oregon Militia and ISIS sympathizer, January 13, 2016. White father / Japanese mother.
Thomas Wagoner, ASU student who committed suicide due to racial bullying, January 13, 2016
Jack Luck, Taiwanese television host, suicide. January 22, 2016. White father / Asian mother.
Aage Jorgansen, 16 year old boy who went missing after his father kicked him our of his car. January 28, 2016.
Dorothy Dutiel, murder suicide with girlfriend, February 12, 2016. White father / Asian mother
Joshua Zarembeski, armed robbery, February 26, 2016. White father / Asian mother
Alex Buckner, mass murder of entire family, February 26, 2016, White father / Asian mother
Colin James Sparks, theft of $1000 worth of Lego sets, July 15th, 2016.
Justin Mazone, arrested for intoxication manslaughter, January, 2016
Pre-2013 List.
Glenn Murphy, Jr., 2007, Head of Young Republicans, arrested for sexual assault on a 22 year old sleeping man.
Wesley Covenah, child molester, Asian mother, white father
James Sosnicki, gay for pay “stripper”. He served 3 years for drug possession, burglary, and fraud. Now on parole.
Phillip Sands, ex-deputy Sheriff’s son convicted of murder, 2005.
Marcus Epstein, 2007, anti-immigrant activist arrested for assault on a black woman
Learco Chindamo, half Italian, half Phillipino, convicted in 1995 stabbing murder
Arthur Patterson, 1997 Itaewon murder
Tiege Harris Delaney Jr, half Asian, white father, child molestation; father also arrested for… child molestation.
Charlie Chase, 1998, “Sometimes, lots of times, I fantasize about cutting someone’s head off, cutting their heart out”, WMAF Hapa. Japanese Mother. In prison for murder, robbery, assault.
Jack Abbot, was an American criminal and author, to an Irish-American soldier and a Chinese prostitute, murder, robbery.
Heck Van Tran, Triple Murder
Roger Brady, double murder
Richard Yi Begnell, 2012, larceny
Harvie Dale Oglesby III, bank robbery, dubbed the “Hipster Bandit”, 2012
Tyler Lee Ford, groped three girls sleeping in a bedroom in the home: two 9-year-olds and a 10-year-old, 2013.
Jarred Dean Snyder, 2014 armed robbery
David Anthony Runyon, 2007, killer for hire
Nicole John, 2010 daughter of the Ambassador to Thailand and a Korean woman, death from falling off of Manhattan high-rise during party, while high.
Two hapas charged with almost cutting a 15 year olds arm off.
Empire State Building Shooter, 2012
Robert John Bardo, Korean mother, White father, 1989 murder
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看到了让我笑死了,也不难理解。

有个评论我觉得说的很有道理,其为

AMWF seems superior because WMAF is almost usually driven by insecurity on both sides. AF (wants to whiten the race up by breeding with a white man; white worship complex) WM (hates WW or has had bad experiences with them; has yellow fever complex; knows he’ll be worshipped by AF so he chooses them over WW or any other race/ethnicity)
I feel the same way about BMWF relationships. Most of the time, they’re driven by insecurity as well. BM (white worship complex; wants to gain status and/or whiten up the race by breeding with a WW) WW (wants to prove she isn’t racist; only dates BM for their big dick stereotype; wants to gain attention or upset WM and BF) I also tend to think WMBF relationships are superior to WFBM as well.

为什么改革开放出去的美国华人对中国的影响大多是负面的

知乎上的一个关于施一公的问题的一个回答,我写了些评论,其内容复制到下面。

事实是,改革开放公派出去的大多都留在了美国背叛了中国,在那儿养大了香蕉孩子,他们对中国更多是做了损害。那些少数公派出去获得学位之后没待多久就回来的不算自愿选择了美国,他们是公派的,并没留下。我在美国的一个ABC朋友(他跟大多ABC也很不一样)父亲经历过上山下乡,八十年代末获得了美国很好的学校的理工科学位,然后立刻回了中国在一所很好的大学当了几年教授,但是之后又回去了。我曾跟我那朋友说他爸比大多那代公派出去的好多了,大多都是以公派为叛变的机会,好享受美国优越的条件,我想他爸若想那样也有能力那样,但他没有,从一个国人的角度,这值得佩服。当然,恢复高考后上大学的得到出国留学机会的那代人比前辈要差远了。

那帮人老说要把美国的先进的东西带回中国来,中国要像发达的美国学习,他们这么说其实是为了维护自己。他们对中国没啥贡献,因为大多没回国,或者大部分时间还是在美国,有老婆和孩子在那儿的利益冲突及干扰,很难为中国做出什么真正的事情。还有,就是那些回国的,给中国带来什么了?很多要不是当买办,要不也只是做基础研究,基础研究做的最好基本都留在了美国。因为那个年代特别崇洋媚外,特别买办,所以才会柳传志那样的垃圾为主流,你觉得中国当初搞互联网真的需要李彦宏张朝阳么,我基本肯定他们俩更多是凭他们的美国经历的威望成为了公司创始人,拿到了外资等,技术上中国的人也可以做,并非需要有美国工作经历的海归。因为那帮人留学没有毕业之后就回来然后为了自己吹美国多么好产生了那种不良的盲目崇洋媚外的风气,惩罚他们一下也是有一定道理的。改革开放上大学的50后60后应该想想当时中国是很落后,但是那种落后的方式与1950年是完全没法比的,性质完全不同。所以现在中国强大了,回顾那些人的表现真的是耻辱啊。中国竞争那么激烈,把更多机会留给那些土生土长的人,提拔一下中国的学校。这是一位6岁去美国但大学毕业工作几年后回国的人的看法。

现在也不是十九世纪或二十实际上半期,那时候西方白人有了近代科学和工业,中国还大多处于农业封建阶段,要民族复兴不得不到西方国家学习,当然也有日本或许在某些情况下是更合适的选择,之后有了苏联远远更能帮助中国,中国1970年虽然还很穷但基本已经是个现代化国家了,两弹一星都有了,还不算现代化,程度比美国依然差很多但同样算现代化国家了,所以之后跑到美国留学并留下的大多毫无疑问是为了他们自己,对中国没什么帮助,回国的很多还善于用自己的美国牌子骗人为自己谋利,那时候已经很少有必要直接跑到美国把先进的科学技术带到中国,真正还需要长期在中国做,积累,尖端的真能威胁美国的军事科技美国依然坚决封锁,你抢到它的材料人家还炸你的大使馆,俄罗斯在这一点对中国好的太多了,所以到某程度打压自愿获得美国学位的人是有道理的。其实已经开始做了,现在的中国的大互联网和技术企业家主要是土生土长的了,不像十年前李彦宏张朝阳等,那些人现在都退到二线了。

那个人不是什么工农背景的人,是个理工科知识分子,他一那么说我也自然想到一个当代版的43-53年前,你说的什么人种肤色国籍都欢迎这是太不现实了,首先中文是大障碍,中国是个中国人的国家,几千年根在那儿,与白人建立在种族清洗土著人的移民国家美国恰恰相反,在美国黄种人也是融不进去,永远是外国人,即使你英语好,美国那种自由主义价值观与作为一个中国人本质上是直接矛盾的。其他黄种人在中国如果中文好并熟悉认同prc的文化和价值观早晚还是能融入的,那些所谓反g不反华的华裔是西方帝国主义和殖民主义在中国留下的遗产,中国绝对要排斥他们,自愿染上太多美国背景自然会让人显得在这一点不过关。

没有说排斥留过学的,而且主要是针对留美,因为中美最冲突,本质就是这样。只是说排斥(到某程度)那些做出一些与prc主流价值观和利益冲突的事情的留过美的人。为了中国人的集体利益,肯定得这么做了。难道美国人在职场上不也是犹太人,白人,印度人,那些与西方主流相和的人优先么,这也没什么错呀,这是社会和人的本性啊。为什么中国人要做与自己民族利益相反的事情呢?再强调现在不是1900年,当时只能到西方国家学习先进的科学技术,再带回来。由自愿拥有深厚美国背景的华裔必得以一定限制,因为他们是政治复旦啊。问问自己,中国的大飞机需要留美的人么(我相当肯定大多都是土生土长的)?中国的航母也是从乌克兰买来的,美国会卖给你么?

我见过在航天部保密部门工作的60后,都跟我说你有谷歌背景基本绝对进不了我们的保密部门,绝对当不了领导。

印度人为白种人,印第安人为黄种人

1492年,登陆并之后殖民美洲的哥伦布将其土著人称为Indios,因为他当初以为他抵达了印度。我在美国也有过说Indian然后对方却以为我指印第安人,而毫无疑问我在指我接触过相当多的印度人。印第安人在美国现在已经几乎不存在了,基本被彻底清洗掉了。

我也想起如何美国舆论有种表面认同印度甘地为印度从英国争取独立的伟大的政治斗争者,这很多因为印度对美国毫无威胁,算跟美国一家人,被美国殖民过,说英语。还有一点是他们高种姓的人大多是四千年多前雅利安征服者的后代,则印度波罗门虽肤色黑一点,但脸型长相跟白人相似,从而他们更可得到上层白人的信赖。

相反,印第安人是一万五千年前从西伯利亚穿过当时冻僵的白令海峡进入并扎根于美洲。一万年多的继续进化未使得他们失去他们拥有黄种人的特征,就看看目前的玻利维亚总统埃沃·莫拉莱斯为例吧。

不过白人进入美洲后就将他们几乎全部掉了,英国人比西班牙人残忍得多,西班牙人至少与他们女人通婚的。刚得知玻利维亚至少一半儿人口都是印第安人,莫拉莱斯也是它第一个印第安人总统。他对中国很看好,也可以说他来中国算得上一种寻根。

在西班牙殖民地的等级制度里是白人血统最高,印第安血统略低,被运来当奴隶的黑人血统最低贱。好多若不是大多拉丁美洲的有印第安血统的人的父系是西班牙的,从而有了mestizo这个词。

人是血统论动物,这个能从印第安人的被种族清洗看出来,也能从雅利安后代的印度波罗门有机会成为美国公司高管剥削华裔技术苦力看出来。尽管美国华裔总而言之比美国印裔更聪明并学习竞赛成绩更好,但进入了职场,文化氛围一般会使得印裔成为管理和领导层而华裔成为干活的技术苦力层。

那个ChinaSuperpower写过中国人和美洲印第安人应当是自然的盟友,都是盎格鲁白人清洗过或在试图清洗的对象。他好像没有说印第安也是跟中国人长得相似的但如中国人不同在世界舞台和媒体几乎不存在的黄种人。他也写过若不是短期游客或短期出差或征服者,中国人就不应该在任何西方国家,即使中期留学也是有风险的,因为那儿的一些本地人会试图奴役你。在那儿学习工作也主要是给白人当苦力或送钱,科技上很难接触到什么核心的东西,后者一般需要从某种程度利用中国的背后力量。

前几天看了今年国际数学奥赛的结果,中国和美国都227分,但因为中国队在最难的第三题和第六题总得分高于六个成员里五个都是华裔的美国队,中国队得了第一。第三名队和第四名队分别为韩国和朝鲜。前二十几名的选手大多是东亚裔的,其他好多也是东欧的,近五年基本一直这样。而且,在美国,虽然代表印裔精英的学生近年有不少提升,但他们依然比华裔差很多,而同时,印度的印度人表现还是不行,只能排名十几位。当然,数学奥赛属于华裔的相对强项,印裔的相对弱项,光用这个衡量也不太公平,只不过在其他方面中国也比印度强太多了,有些地方也都开始比美国和欧洲强了。

我的一位白人朋友,他也是国际数学奥赛金牌,他一年前多对我说了一句当时出乎我预料的话,其为

说实话,智力上,是东亚人高于犹太人高于白人。

我已观察到东亚人的思维和性格的确与白种人有差异,即使在美国也这样。好多出于文化语言因素,但好多也是生理的,毕竟有了至少几万年分道扬镳的生理进化,在不同的地理环境和气候,这不光影响长相,也会影响脑子的结构。这些脑子结构差异会导致客观智力测试和表现的差异,也会影响信仰上的差异。西方心理测量学家如Rushton和Lynn在他们论文和演讲里解释了冰川时期环境如何迫使了东北亚人进化出黄种人所有的一些独特的代表性物理特征,如其头骨形和脸型。他们说那种头骨形自然使得黄种人脑容量增大并体型更加矮壮,利于生存那种极其寒冷的环境。

黄种人是在严峻环境下一个新的人种进化,其面相及性格文化特征与白种人本质不相容,此为白人在美洲对印第安人的种族清洗以及之后的反日和反华的根本缘故。面对着黄种人,盎格鲁白人骨子里充满着畏惧及藐视,所以基本只接受为奴隶。其他欧洲裔的白人好多其实有些父系黄种人血统,源于进入过法国的匈人,源于征服过东欧的蒙古人,他们都属于欧亚大陆,与亚洲人有过更多直接的接,最与黄种人融合不可的是盎格鲁犹太种族及文化派系的人,他们是血统为本的以夺取他人土地成立过国家并妄想对黄种人进行种族清洗的异类人种,性能和文化有它的强点但长远角度充满了劣势及不完善和卑鄙的自欺欺人。

第一次更改了百度百科

前天晚上宾馆里休息,可还未到睡觉之时,就查了查如何百度百科描述崇洋媚外这个现象。在那里看到了错别字。

为了强制避免自作聪明,我向一个人确认了那个“得”应该是“地”,其实已经很自信了,因为这个错误太显然,初级的语法错误。

然后我在手机浏览器登录了我还在美国时注册的百度,做了并提交了更改。

在美国时,我试了给Steve Hsu创建一个百度百科页,但总是无法通过,当时还不那么清楚中国总而言之反感美国华人,一位拿过CIA钱开网络安全公司在中国搞渗透的国民党背景的人就不用说了。可能未通过因为徐已在tg黑名单上了。

可是这次就没问题了!

Speech of W.E.B. Du Bois in Beijing University in 1959

By courtesy of the government of the 600 million people of the Chinese Republic, I am permitted on my 91st birthday to speak to the people of China and Africa and through them to the world. Hail, then, and farewell, dwelling places of the yellow and black races. Hail human kind!

I speak with no authority; no assumption of age nor rank; I hold no position, I have no wealth. One thing alone I own and that is my own soul. Ownership of that I have even while in my own country for near a century I have been nothing but a “nigger.” On this basis and this alone I dare speak, I dare advise.

China after long centuries has arisen to her feet and leapt forward. Africa, arise, and stand straight, speak and think! Act! Turn from the West and your slavery and humiliation for the last 500 years and face the rising sun.

Behold a people, the most populous nation on this ancient earth, which has burst its shackles, not by boasting and strutting, not by lying about its history and its conquests, but by patience and long suffering, by blind struggle, moved up and on toward the crimson sky. She aims to “make men holy; to make men free.”

But what men? Not simply the mandarins but including mandarins; not simply the rich, but not excluding the rich. Not simply the learned, but led by knowledge to the end that no man shall be poor, nor sick, nor ignorant; but that the humblest worker as well as the sons of emperors shall be fed and taught and healed and that there emerge on earth a single unified people, free, well and educated.

You have been told, my Africa: My Africa in Africa and all your children’s children overseas; you have been told and the telling so beaten into you by rods and whips, that you believe it yourselves, that this is impossible; that mankind can rise only by walking on men; by cheating them and killing them; that only on a doormat of the despised and dying, the dead and rotten, can a British aristocracy, a French cultural elite or an American millionaire be nurtured and grown.

This is a lie. It is an ancient lie spread by church and state, spread by priest and historian, and believed in by fools and cowards, as well as by the downtrodden and the children of despair.

Speak, China, and tell your truth to Africa and the world. What people have been despised as you have? Who more than you have been rejected of men? Recall when lordly Britishers threw the rickshaw money on the ground to avoid touching a filthy hand. Forget not the time when in Shanghai no Chinese man dare set foot in a park which he paid for. Tell this to Africa, for today Africa stands on new feet, with new eyesight, with new brains and asks: Where am I and why?

The Western sirens answer: Britain wheedles; France cajoles; while America, my America, where my ancestors and descendants for eight generations have lived and toiled; America loudest of all, yells and promises freedom. If only Africa allows American investment!

Beware Africa, America bargains for your soul. America would have you believe that they freed your grandchildren; that Afro-Americans are full American citizens, treated like equals, paid fair wages as workers, promoted for desert and free to learn and travel across the world.

This is not true. Some are near freedom; some approach equality with whites; some have achieved education; but the price for this has too often been slavery of mind, distortion of truth and oppression of our own people.

Of 18 million Afro-Americans, 12 million are still second-class citizens of the United States, serfs in farming, low-paid laborers in industry, and repressed members of union labor. Most American Negroes do not vote. Even the rising six million are liable to insult and discrimination at any time.

But this, Africa, relates to your descendants, not to you. Once I thought of you Africans as children, whom we educated Afro-Americans would lead to liberty. I was wrong. We could not even lead ourselves much less you. Today I see you rising under your own leadership, guided by your own brains.

Africa does not ask alms from China nor from the Soviet Union nor from France, Britain, nor the United States. It asks friendship and sympathy and no nation better than China can offer this to the Dark Continent. Let it be freely given and generously. Let Chinese visit Africa, send their scientists there and their artists and writers. Let Africa send its students to China and its seekers after knowledge. It will not find on earth a richer goal, a more promising mine of information.

On the other hand, watch the West. The new British West Indian Federation is not a form of democratic progress but a cunning attempt to reduce these islands to the control of British and American investors. Haiti is dying under rich Haitian investors who with American money are enslaving the peasantry. Cuba is showing what the West Indies, Central and South America are suffering under American big business.

The American worker himself does not always realize this. He has high wages and many comforts. Rather than lose these, he keeps in office by his vote the servants of industrial exploitation so long as they maintain his wage. His labor leaders represent exploitation and not the fight against the exploitation of labor by private capital. These two sets of exploiters fall out only when one demands too large a share of the loot.

This China knows. This Africa must learn. This the American Negro has failed so far to learn. I am frightened by the so-called friends who are flocking to Africa. Negro Americans trying to make money from your toil, white Americans who seek by investment and high interest to bind you in serfdom to business as the Near East is bound and as South America is struggling with. For this America is tempting your leaders, bribing your young scholars, and arming your soldiers. What shall you do?

First, understand! Realize that the great mass of mankind is freeing itself from wage slavery, while private capital in Britain, France, and now in America, is still trying to maintain civilization and comfort for a few on the toil, disease and ignorance of the mass of men. Understand this, and understanding comes from direct knowledge. You know America and France, and Britain to your sorrow. Now know the Soviet Union, but particularly know China.

China is flesh of your flesh, and blood of your blood. China is colored and knows to what a colored skin in this modern world subjects its owner. But China knows more, much more than this: she knows what to do about it. She can take the insults of the United States and still hold her head high. She can make her own machines, when America refuses to sell her American manufactures, even though it hurts American industry, and throws her workers out of jobs. China does not need American nor British missionaries to teach her religion and scare her with tales of hell. China has been in hell too long, not to believe in a heaven of her own making. This she is doing.

Come to China, Africa, and look around. Invite Africa to come, China, and see what you can teach by just pointing. Yonder old woman is working on the street. But she is happy. She has no fear. Her children are in school and a good school. If she is ill, there is a hospital where she is cared for free of charge. She has a vacation with pay each year. She can die and be buried without taxing her family to make some undertaker rich.

Africa can answer: but some of this we have done; our tribes undertake public service like this. Very well, let your tribes continue and expand this work. What Africa must realize is what China knows; that it is worse than stupid to allow a people’s education to be under the control of those who seek not the progress of the people but their use as means of making themselves rich and powerful. It is wrong for the University of London to control the University of Ghana. It is wrong for the Catholic church to direct the education of the black Congolese. It was wrong for Protestant churches supported by British and American wealth to control higher education in China.

The Soviet Union is surpassing the world in popular and higher education, because from the beginning it started its own complete educational system. The essence of the revolution in the Soviet Union and China and in all the “iron curtain” nations, is not the violence that accompanied the change; no more than starvation at Valley Forge was the essence of the American revolution against Britain. The real revolution is the acceptance on the part of the nation of the fact that hereafter the main object of the nation is the welfare of the mass of the people and not of the lucky few.

Government is for the people’s progress and not for the comfort of an aristocracy. The object of industry is the welfare of the workers and not the wealth of the owners. The object of civilization is the cultural progress of the mass of workers and not merely of an intellectual elite. And in return for all this, communist lands believe that the cultivation of the mass of people will discover more talent and genius to serve the state than any closed aristocracy ever furnished. This belief the current history of the Soviet Union and China is proving true each day. Therefore don’t let the West invest when you can avoid it. Don’t buy capital from Britain, France and the United States if you can get it on reasonable terms from the Soviet Union and China. This is not politics; it is common sense. It is learning from experience. It is trusting your friends and watching your enemies. Refuse to be cajoled or to change your way of life, so as to make a few of your fellows rich at the expense of a mass of workers growing poor and sick and remaining without schools so that a few black men can have automobiles.

Africa, here is a real danger which you must avoid or return to the slavery from which you are emerging. All I ask from you is the courage to know; to look about you and see what is happening in this old and tired world; to realize the extent and depth of its rebirth and the promise which glows on your hills.

Visit the Soviet Union and visit China. Let your youth learn the Russian and Chinese languages. Stand together in this new world and let the old world perish in its greed or be born again in new hope and promise. Listen to the Hebrew prophet of communism:

Ho! every one that thirsteth; come ye to the waters; come, buy and eat, without money and price!

Again, China and Africa, hail and farewell!

Copied over from http://media.pfeiffer.edu/lridener/dss/DuBois/DUBOISP4.HTML. Additionally, there is some actual footage at http://credo.library.umass.edu/media/mums312-b246-i002-001.access.mp4.


I won’t comment too much on this. I mostly find this type of racial/class language in English rather uncomfortable and try to avoid it most of the time. But this is Du Bois and he’s pretty significant and that speech he gave in China in 1959 at Beida was too. And it’s a pretty good speech. He is WOKE. The more idealistic part of it, especially regarding “communism” don’t take too seriously of course.

I can only say that back then, China was still quite poor and backward, but really optimistic. It was right after the highly successful first five year plan through which China rapidly developed some modern industry but even so, it was back in 59 when many people did not have enough to eat. Nowadays, it’s a completely different story. And unlike in 80s, 90s, and 00s, people in China have belief in their system and culture in addition to the hard power to back up, unlike during the Mao era when the determination was strong, but the material support was meh but growing quickly. US tried to defeat through proxy war (KMT), failed, direct war (Korean War), failed, economic sanction (during Mao era), failed, coup (89 protests), failed, liberal temptation (80s thru 00s during reform and opening up), this by 2017 has also proven itself pretty much failed.

To put it shortly, blacks in America are WOKE. Their ancestors didn’t come here voluntarily, they were forcibly shipped here to become slaves. Their lack of success is a competence problem, not a woke-ness problem. Besides they have more status and position in America than East Asians, who and whose ancestors mostly came here out of voluntary betrayal and white worship, do.

Some thoughts and historical background on those stereotypes of Asian scientists not having that rock the boat creativity personality conducive to “zero to one” work

I wrote this to Steve Hsu after he discussed the matter in the title of this post to me.

I saw a wechat moment involving 吴文俊 Wu Wenjun who did seminal work in algebraic topology and later automated theorem proving who I mentioned.
The Chinese who first did seminal work in modern science tended to be in pure math the field that is aside from a brain at the far tail arguably lowest barrier to entry. In theoretical physics the arbiter is experimental validation so there is more politics/connections/cred involved whereas for pure math if the proof is correct then it’s absolute truth.
Before 1950 Chinese in pure math already produced SS Chern (differential geometry) Hua Luogeng (analytic number theory and some other fields too to be fair he may well have been smarter and also more discerning than Terry Tao) Weiliang Chow (algebraic geometry) Wu Wenjun (algebraic topology), Chern and Chow stayed in US after PRC was founded while Hua and Wu returned. Hua’s student Chen Jingrun proved best current result towards Goldbach conjecture (every sufficiently large even number is sum of two primes or sum of prime and semiprime). I read that he and his students in the 50s in China did some seminal work in several complex variables that was published as a monograph that was translated to Russian and then English. Also Zhang Yitang’s breakthrough started with his learning the work of Chen Jingrun as a teenager on his own before he went to college at age 23.
To be fair pure math got only more abstract and esoteric and divorced from the rest of science after WWII. Chinese mathematicians were still kind of minor the really mainstream stuff was happening in US France USSR Japan. To my take it was really only Chern who really revolutionized math and he was born in 1911.
As for physics aside from Yang and Lee in theory I know there was a guy 赵忠尧 who experimentally discovered but likely didn’t fully explain the positron in the early 30s (at Caltech I believe), I think he had to go back to China after getting his PhD and if not for that likely he would’ve done more there and maybe actually gotten full credit for that thing. Back then there was just much more low hanging fruit. Nowadays we’ve kind of reached a bottleneck in science.
In experimental physics I also know of 王淦昌 who led a team that discovered some particle while in USSR in late 50s but it was not quite Nobel prize level maybe close. And of course there were some ethnic Chinese in US like Steven Chu who did win Nobel in experimental physics.
Certainly it was very difficult to do such level work in China or in the four Asian tigers due to lack of powerful scientific community at the forefront in those places. I think Japan was different after WWII they already had first rate science of their own by then. So naturally the best Chinese in pure science were the ones who went to US and stayed before PRC or went the Taiwan/HK route afterward. Mainland China really only had access to USSR in 50s and also during that era the best people tended to be pressured into applied work.
Again the era of fundamental advances seems to be kind of over. There hasn’t been much serious breakthrough in science and technology since end of cold war. World Wide Web and AI doesn’t really count in my view. Nothing compared to semiconductors and satellites and computers and lasers which all happened during cold war. AI is just a natural product of advances in computing power and GPUs.
My Indian friend also said that Indians did better in pure physics than Chinese due to Brit education. CV Raman Bose Chandrasekhar their elite got into modern science arguably earlier than the Japanese too let alone the Chinese. Modern science is a Western thing East Asians just got into it quite late with Chinese much later than Japanese and Koreans even later really.
Access and tradition matters a lot too it’s not just about g or the right maverick personality. It’s just too bad that East Asians didn’t create modern science or anything close to it on their own despite obviously being quite gifted in it based on their achievements after they got into that stuff. But not long after it became kind of saturated.
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