They probably bragged to their relatives back at home how great things are and what great parents they are. Meanwhile, their children suffer in silence first from playground racism then from WMAF racism and then from workplace / hiring racism and bamboo ceiling.
Meanwhile, the relatives back home watch their real estate price go from RMB 5000 to RMB 120000 per square meter in span of 15 years. Their cousins salaries went from RMB 4000 to RMB 30000+ during the same time.
One day around year 2025, China defeats USA and Japan in a naval war around Taiwan. Chinese celebrate reunification. Meanwhile USA exacts revenge by putting ethnic Chinese into internment camps. Comfort women are provided to military men. In a normal society people fight and die to avoid being ruled by a foreign race. Unfortunately some people give up everything to be ruled by a foreign race. Their children pay the ultimate price.
This is because Chinese people are divided into left wing and right wing. Left wing have ethno national pride. We are able to cognitively relate to the idea that living under the rule of a foreign race is probably a bad thing. Right wing Chinese have zero ethno national pride. When China fights a hot war with USA and USA starts rounding up Chinese Americans into concentration camps, these right wing Chinese will still long to join the concentration camp. Sometimes there is no cure for stupidity. Right wing Chinese should be shipped off to USA because China does not need them. The unfortunate side effect is the second+ generation who will suffer and die because of the stupidity of their ancestors.
It is a worthwhile cause, in my view, to bring to the attention of the Chinese mainstream the facts behind the problem. Even if just to expose the stupidity of the right wing and draw some sympathy for the second+ generation.
I explain, “Life in America is like living in China under Japanese occupation. Japanese army going around raping and enslaving everybody. Many Chinese collaborate. Some Chinese even try to please the Japanese with steamed buns. They end up as human experiments for bacteriological weapons. Substitute whites for Japanese army. That is what America is like for ethnic Chinese.”
First hand exposure is not the only form of exposure. The reason why native Chinese do not have first hand exposure is because they (or their parents) are not interested in close contact with the Western world. So they stay put in the homeland.
You’re basically arguing that you need to have jumped into a pit of snakes to appreciate that snakes are dangerous. Most people just know that by common sense and do not need to jump into a pit of snakes to find out. A person who has been in a pit of snakes (voluntarily or not) and finds out snakes are dangerous is not more aware than somebody who avoids a pit of snakes in the first place.
Native Chinese demonstrate wokeness in different and I believe more profound ways: no US military, no US laws, no US taxes, no English as an official language and national pride.
It’s the diaspora who have no easy way to escape the above who need to replace that with superficial practices like protesting about some white girl wearing a Chinese outfit. All this is a consequence of the “unusual” situation that the diaspora is in: fitting in neither in one nation nor the other.
Diaspora pointing a finger at native Chinese for living their normal Asian lives in their normal Asian country are simply projecting insecurities.
Native Chinese are SECURE enough in their wokeness that they do not need to get hung up about superficial things like: “I live in China all my life and I just shopped at a store that uses white people in their advertising, am I white worshipping?” LMAO of course not.
Taking China as an example, native Chinese are woke.
First generation Chinese emigrants are not woke because they are a self-selected group of the most white worshipping members of society. Once they lose the citizenship, they are no longer Chinese and their white worshipping has nothing to do with China.
The agenda is of the first generation is to exploit their children as “anchors” to interface with mainstream society while they stay insulated from racism.
The fate of Asian America will, sadly, be the vast majority of the AAF sell out and raise single parent hapas, the AAM die young and lonely and the first generation finally dies after they run out of children to exploit — in that chronological sequence.
The native Asians (or at least native Chinese) in recent years finally came to this realization and conclusion. The era of mass emigration has ended. There will be international students, tourists and business travelers but the vast majority of normal people are not interested in surrendering their homeland citizenship.
> Yes but it clearly shows a lack of understanding and knowledge of the Amazon rainforest.
I know enough about the Amazon not to go there because it’s dangerous. Just like most native Chinese don’t want to be ruled by white men because it’s dangerous. Seeing white men on TV in China is just like seeing a poisonous snake on Discovery Channel. No threat at all.
> You just proved that native Chinese are not very knowledgeable about Western culture. How can you be “woke” if you don’t even understand?
If you are so knowledgeable about white racism, why are you still living there? Do you think your many years of suffering makes you an expert that native Chinese should look up to and obey?
> It’s a problem when Chinese people buy German cars and Italian fashion to show off their wealth, instead of buying Japanese cars and Korean fashion to show Asian pride.
> It’s a problem when Chinese people wear Western clothing at their weddings instead of their own Chinese attires.
> It’s a problem when Chinese people support Westerners who, in turn, suppress Chinese people overseas.
Newsflash: native Chinese are doing fine because they are not ruled by white men. They do not need you to tell them about white racism because they are already aware. They need even less your imperious demands about the way they dress or about treating white people badly just to avenge diaspora’s ego. If they do those things, they do it for their own reasons like geopolitical rivary.
> Also, what is your obsession with passports? Also, you always speak against diasporas, which is against what this sub is about. If you don’t like diasporas (since you see them as traitors), then please just GTFO. You are not welcome here.
I dislike first generation nouveau riche emigrants but am sympathetic toward second+ generation. Nonetheless, I call out ignorance regardless of source.
Just because white people are arrogant toward you does not mean native Chinese are inferior to you. I am personally sympathetic to diaspora but I can tell you the average native Chinese have a very low opinion of diaspora. So low probably you don’t even wanna know.
Some Asians countries are more woke and some Asian countries are less woke. Having US military bases on one’s soil and US domination of one’s political system will not help obviously.
At best, the diaspora is a mixed bag. Even if we exclude the first generation who are nearly all white worshipping unless they fled to the West due to famine, war, persecution or some other tragedy (not because they have fantasies about Western lifestyle) and focus only on the second+ generation, at least the female half is overwhelmingly white worshipping. Then you look at the men and find at least half of them are Chans.
Quite frankly, the state of the diaspora is pretty sad. Not the fault of the second+ generation of course but sad it is. So of course it is patently ridiculous for diaspora to point a finger at native Asians (especially in places like China where anti-Amerikkkanism is part of the school cirriculum) and somehow pretend that native Asians are even more white worshipping.
If even the average second+ generation diaspora could be as proud as Chairman Xi Jinping (or even your average schoolboy who learns about Asian perspective history in school), it would be a quantum leap compared to the current sad state of affairs.
I am not very familiar with Asia outside of mainland HK and Taiwan. But when diaspora talk about “Asia” probably they are including China in the picture since it is so large. So I respond.
Dating shows in China only “overrepresent” white guys in the sense that they are not citizens so their appearance is just to satisfy a streak of curiosity toward foreign or exotic things held by the general population.
But why don’t you mention the fact that dating shows also feature citizens of other Asian countries? Or feature diaspora Asians? Or white girls? Not only from Anglo countries but a huge number from Russia and Eastern Europe. Why just the fixation on white guys?
And how do you conclude they “always” do better than the locals? That sounds like something you just made up.
I will emphasize it again: Anglosphere has disproportionate geopolitical influence and soft power. Native Chinese are not insulated from this phenomenon. A good proportion of people recognize aspects of its ideology or culture as something with “universal appeal”.
However, this is not white worship because — at least for Chinese — they have their own sovereign country, not “colony”, not “enclave”, not “ethnic neighborhood”. They pay taxes to their own government and there are no US military on their soil. Aspects of foreign culture are there for the appropriation or enjoyment of locals rather than the locals being controlled or ruled by foreign powers.
Diaspora is literally ruled by white people. Since you lack the core Asian identity, yet are not assimilable into your country of citizenship, what I see is the projection of insecurities on to the homeland. Yet the homeland does not owe you anything. Just because white people treat you badly, should native Chinese treat white people badly too? If native Chinese wish to treat white people badly, it would be for their own good reasons such as geopolitical rivalry, not to avenge the diaspora per se.
I am sympathetic to the second+ generation diaspora but the fact is native Chinese do not consider you one of their own. The membership card for the club is called a “Chinese passport.”
Actually, Chinese nationalists are aware of the issue. It is viewed in the same context as a defeated and subjugated people being forced to hand over their wives and daughters to the conquerors. 亡国奴
Most Chinese nationalists say “these so called ethnic Chinese are people who carry a foreign passport — were they so proud of themselves when they abandoned their homeland? It is not our problem if they live or die.”
Only somebody like me who narrowly avoided the fate of 亡国奴 by returning to Asia, understand that there is an intergeneration dynamic here where the first generation emigrants exploit their offspring (turn into sex slaves and eunchs) to gain whitey’s favor.
AA need to understand that they are in a dangerous position just because they hold the enemy’s passport. They are “sleeping with the enemy” from the day they are born. They have been lied to by their parents or ancestors who claim they are “just as Asian as the native Asians in Asia” because they practice customs like using chopsticks. These are all lies because the truth is simply imprinted on your passports “Amerikkka, white supremacist republic of.”
The problem is that Chinese nationalists are pitted in an ideological struggle against the white worshipping types. Like that international student valedictorian bad mouthing China. Chinese nationalists believe that a large number of these white worshipping people made their money illegally with government corruption. The parting shot is always “You like Amerikkka so much? Go there and don’t come back!”
AA men are caught in the crossfire. It is human nature to judge people by their background including parental decisions. Thinking back to when I was growing up, it is obvious that people I interacted with could immediately tell that my parents were ultra materialistic and social status chasing Asian immigrants. They would treat me accordingly. You can only avoid being punished by society for your parents’ sins by very proactively showing a different character.
Honestly, what I see in AA circles is still not enough to qualify as woke. Some AA still think their parents are representative of native Asian culture or they “sacrificed so much to bring their children to Amerikkka” or “all Asians would choose to emigrate if they had enough money.”
I don’t think AA community has a future until the majority of AA men point the finger in the right direction. Look at r/hapas. They figured out that self hating Asian women make awful mothers as soon as their mothers find out their children are not as blonde hair blue eyed as hoped especially the sons. Why can’t AA men be the same way?